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this idea of friends of pecker, fops, a friend of pecker, so trump gets a free ride. it is nothing to do with journalism. in fact, david pecker is revealing himself not to be a news man. he's an advertiser, a marketering, and his product was donald trump. >> when he gave him something about an estimate of $3 million a month of free advertising. he created a magazine that was a quarterly magazine that's literally just about donald trump. he was talking about it in these weird reverential terms. he was asked what can you do to help the campaign? he's oh, i know what i can do. we're going to find all these negative stories. >> your, quote, eyes and ears. and michael cohen was the go between. to your point, this is setting up the cohen testimony. >> how is that a crime? that's what the prosecutor has to prove. catch and kill is unseemly, gross, but it's not illegal. >> that's why the new york statute that was previewed previously in the motions that were dealt with prior to this case surviving the motions to dismiss, because you know, this is important. trials don't just
this idea of friends of pecker, fops, a friend of pecker, so trump gets a free ride. it is nothing to do with journalism. in fact, david pecker is revealing himself not to be a news man. he's an advertiser, a marketering, and his product was donald trump. >> when he gave him something about an estimate of $3 million a month of free advertising. he created a magazine that was a quarterly magazine that's literally just about donald trump. he was talking about it in these weird reverential...
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with more testimony from david pecker. joining us now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, mia wylie, former civil attorney in new york, and hugo, covering washington and all things donald trump. joyce, i want to start with you. we've talked often about trying cases. when you have your case in chief, that primacy is how you do this. you start and end strong when it comes to the presentation of your witnesses. was it smart for the prosecution to start with david pecker thus far? >> well, it was smart, katie, and i am reminded that it was you who first said that you thought david pecker would be a great kickoff witness. i think that's the case, right? this is someone who doesn't have the baggage of a michael cohen, and who tells the origin story. he has now walked us through the election interference conspiracy. this is now patch and kill to elect trump. that's the case that the prosecution will put on. they've done a great job of giving the jury sort of the basics, the land marks and the road map that they'll move ahead on
with more testimony from david pecker. joining us now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, mia wylie, former civil attorney in new york, and hugo, covering washington and all things donald trump. joyce, i want to start with you. we've talked often about trying cases. when you have your case in chief, that primacy is how you do this. you start and end strong when it comes to the presentation of your witnesses. was it smart for the prosecution to start with david pecker thus far? >> well,...
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pecker, increase. how often were you in touch with michael cohen after trump announced his candidacy? pecker, maybe daily. one of the most interesting things that happens today with pecker is what's been public facing trump, cohen, stormy, macdougal. what happened today was trump, pecker, and everybody else. i mean, the chart of the hush money election interference, corporate criminal enterprise totally changed. >> and you really see the impact of pecker and the "national enquirer" and how it plays into kind of the center hub of media, politics, consumerism, and the fact that he's -- obviously, there's legal decisions, but it's a shame. because there was a real, real -- he was -- he was more of a fiction than michael cohen in certain ways. >> and more influential. what dawned on me, i wondered from the outside, pomeranz's book, you wonder what bragg did with the time between the first team that looks at the facts and the charging of trump. clearly what they did, with 22 meetings with michael cohen, the
pecker, increase. how often were you in touch with michael cohen after trump announced his candidacy? pecker, maybe daily. one of the most interesting things that happens today with pecker is what's been public facing trump, cohen, stormy, macdougal. what happened today was trump, pecker, and everybody else. i mean, the chart of the hush money election interference, corporate criminal enterprise totally changed. >> and you really see the impact of pecker and the "national...
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pecker. that's the jury like? what's donald trump like in that room? >> well, i would say everybody is really attentive today, which hasn't always as you know been the case. donald trump's attention kind of fluctuates. he has come in on days and been extraordinarily bored. but when the subject is donald trump and donald trump directly, he stands at attention and he was very curious to hear how david pecker would describe his relationship. i would say his expression for the most part was fairly even. he was neither snarling at pecker as he sometimes does when he heads down the aisle and exits the courtroom and sees the press assembled, but he wasn't exactly friendly. my best recollection of the interaction was when pecker came into the courtroom yesterday and donald trump was almost like leaning around the table so he could get as close a look at david pecker's face as he could. it was as if he were daring pecker, you knew me for decades. make eye contact with me now. and pecker didn't seem to
pecker. that's the jury like? what's donald trump like in that room? >> well, i would say everybody is really attentive today, which hasn't always as you know been the case. donald trump's attention kind of fluctuates. he has come in on days and been extraordinarily bored. but when the subject is donald trump and donald trump directly, he stands at attention and he was very curious to hear how david pecker would describe his relationship. i would say his expression for the most part was...
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>> david pecker? >> yeah. >> i felt there were some partings of what he was saying were credible, but he was definitely more inclined to help the former president. >> definitely sounded pro trump throughout his entire thing. >> what was it he said or what was it about his demeanor, hope, that made you think he wanted to help donald trump? >> throughout his entire interview basically, he was talking a lot about, oh, yes, they were, we were referring to the boss, mr. trump. and lots of pro trump language throughout his entire argument. and social studies class, we learn a lot about bias and bias in the media and bias in all different sorts of stories. so it was very interesting to hear how someone actually in court was showing the same bias that we've seen in the media sometimes. >> testimony, also -- >> go ahead, owen. sorry. >> okay. his testimony also reflected how crucial this whole case michael cohen is and will be when he takes the stand in a few weeks. >> i have to ask you both very quickly, what
>> david pecker? >> yeah. >> i felt there were some partings of what he was saying were credible, but he was definitely more inclined to help the former president. >> definitely sounded pro trump throughout his entire thing. >> what was it he said or what was it about his demeanor, hope, that made you think he wanted to help donald trump? >> throughout his entire interview basically, he was talking a lot about, oh, yes, they were, we were referring to the...
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pecker. and when he says, for instance, that trump was detail oriented or micromanager, how would he know that? he would know that because they have spent so much time together. he would know that because they have discussed business together. so, you're laying the foundation in many ways, and, by the way, you're not just doing it through mr. pecker. he's, you know, witness number one on days number one and two. they're going to be many more witnesses, and they're going -- the prosecutors are going to ask all the witnesses how do you know the things that you say you know? what is the basis for it. all of that foundational testimony tells the jury in essence, you can trust the government's case. >> so, catherine, the prosecution has been drilling down on alleged conspiracy. hatch, between these three guys that now infamous trump tower meeting, and, vaughn talked about this, as part of that, they allege pecker agreed to be the eyes and ears of the campaign. the eyes and ears. publish flattering
pecker. and when he says, for instance, that trump was detail oriented or micromanager, how would he know that? he would know that because they have spent so much time together. he would know that because they have discussed business together. so, you're laying the foundation in many ways, and, by the way, you're not just doing it through mr. pecker. he's, you know, witness number one on days number one and two. they're going to be many more witnesses, and they're going -- the prosecutors are...
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pecker responds yes. for the first time in the public record, we're getting david pecker corroborating what michael cohen for years has now articulated about that meeting. to note, hope hicks could well be a witness. pecker has testified hope hicks was in and out of this meeting. so we could very well get more corroborating testimony as it pertains to that exact meeting in trump tower in august of 2015. >> so chuck, is this the beginning of trying to build up the credibility of michael cohen? who was obviously a flawed witness. a convicted admitted perjurer. >> building up mr. cohen's credibility, andrea, might be a long walk through dry sand. he's a criminal and a liar, but that doesn't mean he's not telling the truth here at trial. so what you're really trying to do is corroborate him. and by the way, i have said this before, in many years as a prosecutor, i wish all of my witnesses were nuns and librarians but they're not the ones who are around when crimes are committed. this may sound trite and it ma
pecker responds yes. for the first time in the public record, we're getting david pecker corroborating what michael cohen for years has now articulated about that meeting. to note, hope hicks could well be a witness. pecker has testified hope hicks was in and out of this meeting. so we could very well get more corroborating testimony as it pertains to that exact meeting in trump tower in august of 2015. >> so chuck, is this the beginning of trying to build up the credibility of michael...
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was paying trump money, and it shows trump trusts pecker, so when trump goes to pecker, and this testimony will come out, about covering up various sorted issues that he thinks will interfere with the election, pecker is somebody he could count on. we will see what will develop in the testimony. i cannot imagine it will end today and will probably go on until tomorrow. >> what about this whole gag order and the issues that have been brought up to the court this morning, the judge apparently has not ruled on that, but how do you see that? >> it's interesting, josÉ. every judge that i have spoken to has said they would not lock trump up. judges are very reluctant to do that, but he will reach a point where if trump continues to violate the gag order and it certainly appears he did violate the gag order, he will have to do something. as chuck rosenberg said earlier, sequestering the jury is a difficult thing because it's harmful to a juror. sometimes it facilitates a quicker verdict because the jurors just want to go home. so marchand will have to do something, and it's something he could tr
was paying trump money, and it shows trump trusts pecker, so when trump goes to pecker, and this testimony will come out, about covering up various sorted issues that he thinks will interfere with the election, pecker is somebody he could count on. we will see what will develop in the testimony. i cannot imagine it will end today and will probably go on until tomorrow. >> what about this whole gag order and the issues that have been brought up to the court this morning, the judge...
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david pecker will be back. he spoke for about 30 minutes or so in testimony yesterday after those opening statements. anything that stuck out to you and just how important is he to this case? >> david pecker may in fact be the people's star witness and not michael cohen. david pecker may ultimately be a better witness for a few different reasons. number one, he has some baggage, but he doesn't have the baggage of a michael cohen. number two, he's going to lay the foundation of this pre-existing relationship and this catch and kill arrangement. and that's going to match up to a lot of documents that the state is going to introduce. number three, he was a friend of donald trump's. so his testimony may be more credible for that reason. he may be testifying about something we're not anticipating, and it might be about a direct conversation with donald trump, because, remember, that there were these entries in business records can be shown from the records with the state, with the people need to show is donald trump
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the prosecution called pecker as the first witness. the former chairman and ceo of american media incorporated explained his publications had practiced checkbook journalism, where they paid thousands of dollars for stories. the publications would purchase stories to prevent them from being published by other outlets and bury them. pecker also testified trump met with him after the 2016 election to thank him for being the campaign's, quote, eyes and ears, scooping up information that could be harmful to trump and reporting it back to michael cohen. pecker is expected to resume his testimony later this morning. let's bring in former litigator and msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. and former attorney and msnbc contributor, chuck rosenberg. good morning to you both. great to have you with us. lisa, you were in the overflow floor yesterday watching all this, kind of keeping track of donald trump's facial gestures, perhaps nodding off. what was your big takeaway from yesterday, day one. >> the big takeaway is this is a crime about falsif
the prosecution called pecker as the first witness. the former chairman and ceo of american media incorporated explained his publications had practiced checkbook journalism, where they paid thousands of dollars for stories. the publications would purchase stories to prevent them from being published by other outlets and bury them. pecker also testified trump met with him after the 2016 election to thank him for being the campaign's, quote, eyes and ears, scooping up information that could be...
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the prosecution then called its first witness, david pecker. a former chairman and ceo of american media incorporated, explained his publications had practiced, quote, checkbook journalism where they paid thousands of dollars for stories. the publications would also purchase stories to prevent them from being published by other outlets and then bury them. he also testified trump met with him after the 2016 election to thank him for being the campaign's, quote, eyes and ears, scooping up information that could prove harmful to trump and reporting it back to michael cohen. pecker is expected to resume his testimony later this morning. before the testimony resumes judge merchan will hold a hearing to decide whether he's in violation of a gag order. that order prohibits trum frump attacking witnesses, jurors and other people involved in the case. prosecutors say trump has violated the gag order ten times. they want him held in contemp and fined $1,000 for each violation. judge merchan's options range from a stern warning to a modest fine to a short
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answer, david pecker. being in the publishing industry for 40 years, i realized early in my career the only thing that was important was a cover of a magazine. so when the editors would prepare a cover we would have a meeting and they would present me what the concept was and cost was going be. question, prosecutor. and if the story involves for lack of a better way to say it a big story or a famous person. now, two salient points here about that testimony from david pecker. he's only on the stand for about two hours today. first, what he says counts as the normal amount of money for the checkbook journalism he says his company does. anything over $10,000, that would be unusual. that would be out of bounds. that would have to get personal approval from him as chairman, ceo from not just one of these publications but the entire company with dozens of publications. $10,000 was the ceiling. beyond that, it had to go personally through him. in this case prosecutors say they'll present evidence that ami was doi
answer, david pecker. being in the publishing industry for 40 years, i realized early in my career the only thing that was important was a cover of a magazine. so when the editors would prepare a cover we would have a meeting and they would present me what the concept was and cost was going be. question, prosecutor. and if the story involves for lack of a better way to say it a big story or a famous person. now, two salient points here about that testimony from david pecker. he's only on the...
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answer, david pecker. being in the publishing industry for 40 years i realized early in my career that the only thing that was important is the cover of a magazine. so when the editors produce a story or prepare the cover, we would have a meeting and they would present the story, what the concept was, what the cost would be. question, prosecutor. if the story involved for lack of a better way to say it, a big story or a famous person, did you have the final say on whether or not to publish the story. answer, david pecker. yes, i did. the first witness in the criminal trial of former president donald trump today was david pecker, the former ceo of american media inc. ami, the company that used to own the national enquirer. two salient points here about that testimony from david pecker. he's only on the stand for like half an hour today, but we get all of this salient stuff for the prosecution's case. first of all, there's what he said about what counts as a normal amount of money for the kind of checkbook j
answer, david pecker. being in the publishing industry for 40 years i realized early in my career that the only thing that was important is the cover of a magazine. so when the editors produce a story or prepare the cover, we would have a meeting and they would present the story, what the concept was, what the cost would be. question, prosecutor. if the story involved for lack of a better way to say it, a big story or a famous person, did you have the final say on whether or not to publish the...
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david pecker is a narrator for this case. and he's laying out the scheme, the multiple times that they killed any bad evidence against donald trump, and that they promoted bad evidence against his opponents. so you have this, you know, like you're building a house and now you have the framework. then you get to michael cohen, and it's already been built up, so he sounds sensible and okay. and then you have the documents. and you can't rebut the documents. donald trump signed those checks. you have the tape recordings. donald trump said, oh, yeah, i know, let's just use cash. no, no, no. so i think the defense really has its work cut out for it. one of the senior people on the watergate case, one said, you know, there are some cases that no one can win. there are some cases where you have to pound the table with the facts because you have the facts. some where you have the law, you emphasize the law, and some where you don't have anything. and even clarence darryl couldn't win the case. so i don't think blanch is clarence daro
david pecker is a narrator for this case. and he's laying out the scheme, the multiple times that they killed any bad evidence against donald trump, and that they promoted bad evidence against his opponents. so you have this, you know, like you're building a house and now you have the framework. then you get to michael cohen, and it's already been built up, so he sounds sensible and okay. and then you have the documents. and you can't rebut the documents. donald trump signed those checks. you...
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david pecker. to vaughn's point about unspoken, unknown details, according to prosecutes today, it was trump who invited david pecker to come to this meeting at trump tower in 2015. they were joined by michael cohen there. when we've seen that meeting described and public filings, it comes across really differently. they say there was a meeting between cohen and pecker and a third member of the trump campaign. we know from our colleague tom winters reporting in 2018 -- >> do we have that? okay. we're, we went back and we found, it actually circulated on social media. tom winter is a pro's pro and probably the kind of reporter that lives in both worlds. that does talk to those kinds of sources that know where people move and with whom they move. let me show you that report about that meeting and who was in it. >> the first discussion of this so-called catch and kill come up in august 2015. so the "wall street journal" reported back in november and nbc news has now confirmed that in fact the other ca
david pecker. to vaughn's point about unspoken, unknown details, according to prosecutes today, it was trump who invited david pecker to come to this meeting at trump tower in 2015. they were joined by michael cohen there. when we've seen that meeting described and public filings, it comes across really differently. they say there was a meeting between cohen and pecker and a third member of the trump campaign. we know from our colleague tom winters reporting in 2018 -- >> do we have that?...
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all of this will lead to tomorrow when david pecker is expected to take a stand again. notably also the gag order hearing tomorrow morning. the prosecution has asked the judge to punish donald trump for violating the gag order. notably when donald trump left the courthouse today, what did he do is this he attacked one of the witnesses, michael cohen. this will come down to the determination of judge merchan over whether donald trump actually violated the gag order and any consequences that may follow. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you so much. joining us now, former assistant district attorney for the manhattan d.a.'s office and msnbc legal analyst, catherine christian, and legal analyst, danny cevallos. we're going to be talking about david pecker and the other witnesses expected on the case tomorrow. i want to start with the opening remarks today. both by the prosecution and the defense. prosecution about 45 minutes, almost to the exact second, 30 seconds into it. the defense was supposed to do 25 minutes, ended up 35 minutes. there were some interruptions. how did you se
all of this will lead to tomorrow when david pecker is expected to take a stand again. notably also the gag order hearing tomorrow morning. the prosecution has asked the judge to punish donald trump for violating the gag order. notably when donald trump left the courthouse today, what did he do is this he attacked one of the witnesses, michael cohen. this will come down to the determination of judge merchan over whether donald trump actually violated the gag order and any consequences that may...
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where michael cohen and trump and david pecker had this agreement where david pecker would be the eyes and ears of the campaign and look out for those negative stories. give cohen a heads up and try to suppress it. so it's important he is the lead off witness because it sets the stage. he's the one, of course he was in charge of at the head of ami, in charge of the national enquirer. it sets the stage and just sort of provides for the jury. it started as soon as donald trump announced he was running for president. >> charles, does it matter that they were long time friends, associates, people who worked together for a long time? does that give him more credibility? >> i think it does. the prosecutors are going to tie that into their narrative around why you should believe him and why he's credible. i think when you're setting the stage, giving a jury a very clear picture around what's happening, you have to give to the jury a reason why you should be believing these witnesses and their testimony. so for the reasons you've just mentioned, i think that pecker is going to be a very import
where michael cohen and trump and david pecker had this agreement where david pecker would be the eyes and ears of the campaign and look out for those negative stories. give cohen a heads up and try to suppress it. so it's important he is the lead off witness because it sets the stage. he's the one, of course he was in charge of at the head of ami, in charge of the national enquirer. it sets the stage and just sort of provides for the jury. it started as soon as donald trump announced he was...
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that's why they're starting with pecker. they're setting the stage with this scheme they're calling it. as a defense attorney, i feel the need to inform everybody the catch-and-kill process is not illegal. the act in and of itself of keeping information from the public in this manner is not illegal. what is being alleged which is illegal is the way they went about accounting for it, and that it was a campaign contribution above the limit for reporting purposes for the federal election commission. i think the prosecution, again, is going to try to paint this picture of things being generally bad in this area. then they're going to hit the documents, the specific pay stubs and the checks and things like that. >> we understand the opening statements have begun. matthew coangelo is saying good morning to everybody there. maya, juries change. they get in as individuals, right? they come into that room as individuals, but they have to act as a group. what kind of change are you looking for as a defense lawyer or as a prosecution o
that's why they're starting with pecker. they're setting the stage with this scheme they're calling it. as a defense attorney, i feel the need to inform everybody the catch-and-kill process is not illegal. the act in and of itself of keeping information from the public in this manner is not illegal. what is being alleged which is illegal is the way they went about accounting for it, and that it was a campaign contribution above the limit for reporting purposes for the federal election...
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we know one of the witnesses is david pecker. do you expect that opening statements get finished today or just technically what are we looking for in terms of getting accomplished today in court? >> mika, a lot of the judicial housekeeping you would expect to be taken care of has all been brushed off judge merchan's plate. he decided, we have a jury. that's all been set. i expect very soon after 9:30 this morning, we will get to opening statements and while neither of the parties has outlined exactly how long they will take, as danny knows better than anyone, an opening statement is an opportunity to preview your case for the jury, and while you want to do that in a way that gives them an overview, you also don't want to exhaust them. i expect that neither side will take more than roughly 60 to 70 minutes, and that means that we will have time to get to the first witness who as you noted, is expected to be former chairman of american media and "the national enquirer," david pecker. >> lisa, where are we on jurors these days? two
we know one of the witnesses is david pecker. do you expect that opening statements get finished today or just technically what are we looking for in terms of getting accomplished today in court? >> mika, a lot of the judicial housekeeping you would expect to be taken care of has all been brushed off judge merchan's plate. he decided, we have a jury. that's all been set. i expect very soon after 9:30 this morning, we will get to opening statements and while neither of the parties has...
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one of the potential first witnesses expected to testify is david pecker who bought and buried damaging stories about trump. he's alleged to have worked with trump and his former attorney michael cohen to bury the stormy daniels story. other witnesses expected to testify include a who's who in donald trump's world. karen mcdougal also alleged a sexual relationship with trump. as trump left the courthouse on friday, he continued to insist he plans to testify in his own defense. >>> back here in washington after months of delay, house lawmakers have approved a $95 billion foreign aid package. in four back-to-back votes on saturday, lawmakers from both sides of the aisle overwhelmingly voted to approve the new funding package. a fourth bill would force tiktok's parent company based in china to sell the platform. president biden put out a statement saying members of both parties in the house voted to advance our national security interests and send a clear message about the powerful leadership on the world stage. it's expected to pass legislation and be sent to the president's desk. >>> spe
one of the potential first witnesses expected to testify is david pecker who bought and buried damaging stories about trump. he's alleged to have worked with trump and his former attorney michael cohen to bury the stormy daniels story. other witnesses expected to testify include a who's who in donald trump's world. karen mcdougal also alleged a sexual relationship with trump. as trump left the courthouse on friday, he continued to insist he plans to testify in his own defense. >>> back...
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my best guess is pecker. they'll start through macdougal and set things up for either that or a very sort of banal witness that just goes through paperwork. i think they'll start with low emotional intensity but then try to frame the story and have cohen somewhere in the middle. you don't want him as the last, you don't want him as the first. >> and give us a sense of what we should expect to see, lisa, on monday morning at 9:30 sharp. >> 9:30 sharp, we're going to have a little judicial house keeping. merchan is going to tell us what the permissible scope of the cross-examination is about trump's prior misconduct and unlawful acts. after that, we get straight to opening statements from the d.a.'s office and then in turn from trump's lawyers. i don't expect that that will take more than an hour and change on either side. then as harry said, and previewed, we'll get to the first witness. my prediction is that first witness is david pecker because the very first event in this indictment, if you're going chronol
my best guess is pecker. they'll start through macdougal and set things up for either that or a very sort of banal witness that just goes through paperwork. i think they'll start with low emotional intensity but then try to frame the story and have cohen somewhere in the middle. you don't want him as the last, you don't want him as the first. >> and give us a sense of what we should expect to see, lisa, on monday morning at 9:30 sharp. >> 9:30 sharp, we're going to have a little...
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michael cohen did this or david pecker did this. i didn't do anything. and the prosecution is really needing to understand how this all links up together and donald trump doesn't have to be the one actually doing it to be part of the scheme. >> yeah. and you made the legal analogy to culpable when someone doesn't have their finger on the trigger, which brings us back to the eastern district, where then prosecutor wiseman dealt with a lot of mafia cases and the higher up the line you go, the less likely they were physically carrying out a battery or a violence or a murder. and yet you bring those cases nonetheless. sometimes the most important people are in that position. i'm also now wondering whether the national enquirer is in the faculty lounge. is that down there, keep an eye on it. no, that is the answer. and we want to lean further on your experience as we look at the defense side of the case. melissa, good to see you. thank you. by the end of the hour we'll look at how maga is melting down over trump's peril. >> every campaign stop is crucial. don
michael cohen did this or david pecker did this. i didn't do anything. and the prosecution is really needing to understand how this all links up together and donald trump doesn't have to be the one actually doing it to be part of the scheme. >> yeah. and you made the legal analogy to culpable when someone doesn't have their finger on the trigger, which brings us back to the eastern district, where then prosecutor wiseman dealt with a lot of mafia cases and the higher up the line you go,...
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david pecker is the witness we don't talk about as much because he hasn't said as much in the public arena. you don't have a relationship with david pecker if you're not hiding something. >> you must look at david pecker because i think that he is a key to if you engaged in this, we're going to pay somebody to hide this story. it already shows the kinds of steps you would take to try and win, and even if it is in -- if not illegal, certainly unethical ways. you're going to actually engage in a deal as donald trump has done, with pecker to say somebody comes to something bad, buy the story and hide it. well, there's not much of a leap to go from there to saying i want to change and falsify some records. and i think that he can be a very damaging witness and damaging politically for trump when you've got a guy saying i did business with him, to bury things, and that can have some serious indications on what's going on in 2024. this is the kind of guy he is. but i agree with neil. i don't think donald trump would go on that stand if you had the court officers lift him out the chair and
david pecker is the witness we don't talk about as much because he hasn't said as much in the public arena. you don't have a relationship with david pecker if you're not hiding something. >> you must look at david pecker because i think that he is a key to if you engaged in this, we're going to pay somebody to hide this story. it already shows the kinds of steps you would take to try and win, and even if it is in -- if not illegal, certainly unethical ways. you're going to actually engage...
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then client trump about the money they were going to pay to the tabloids through their friend david pecker. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend david. i spoke to allen about it. when it comes time for the financing which -- >> what financing? >> we'll have to pay -- >> pay with cash. >> no, no, no, no, no. >> and cohen then clearly making a big deal out of the fact that they didn't want to do cash, cash was suspicious so cohen made those payments himself and then was reimbursed by donald trump and you have the checks. you have the receipts. as i told you, this is the part of the case that is proven on paper. prosecutors want to show something larger though. they already have the paper receipts. they want to detail how this was a larger campaign crime. as you may know if you follow news and politics, you can't just give and take money to candidates. if you could, there would be a lot of corruption. every donation has to be marked and there's a cap on donation. basically, this was a catch and kill scheme where a lot of money was used off t
then client trump about the money they were going to pay to the tabloids through their friend david pecker. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend david. i spoke to allen about it. when it comes time for the financing which -- >> what financing? >> we'll have to pay -- >> pay with cash. >> no, no, no, no, no. >> and cohen then clearly making a big deal out of the fact that they didn't want to do cash, cash was...
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hope hicks is on the list, never been on the list before, david pecker, long-time friend, hasn't spoken in a forum this publicly. he was an accomplice. he had some limited immunity when sdny looked at these facts. what is your sense of what is possible in terms of trump and his allies targeting these witnesses? >> it seems like a lot of it could be soft intimidation. i've talked to michael cohen, a lot of us have, about how concerned he is about his safety. i've talked to him, it's real for him. they're not providing him any help in terms of extra security or things like that, and when he walks down the street, somebody comes up to him, he doesn't know how that's going to go, and i think that part of it isn't just that somebody's threatening you, it's the seed that they plant that gets you worried and you're always looking over your shoulder. i think that stormy daniels and michael cohen come to mind in particular, about two people that have been targeted and there's hate sent to them on social media. at a certain point, you don't know what's going to happen. those sort of threats are e
hope hicks is on the list, never been on the list before, david pecker, long-time friend, hasn't spoken in a forum this publicly. he was an accomplice. he had some limited immunity when sdny looked at these facts. what is your sense of what is possible in terms of trump and his allies targeting these witnesses? >> it seems like a lot of it could be soft intimidation. i've talked to michael cohen, a lot of us have, about how concerned he is about his safety. i've talked to him, it's real...
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-- we've actually never heard from david pecker. hope hicks, we never really heard from her about this. and he's going to have to sit there and listen to it, he's not going to enjoy himself. and he's -- you can't guarantee he'll be able to control himself. >> yeah, and he's going to have to listen to it day in and day out. he gets a break on wednesdays. he's going to be accosted with a lot of material, a lot of tedium. and what does that do to a man you call a psychopathic narcissist? >> he's a narcissistic sociopath. he's a psychopath also. >> tomato tomato. as you've watched this unfold you've described it as a beehive of activity. >> it's a standard office building built 1938 to 1949. it's drab, it's ordinary, it's spartan. and it's very functional. there's no gold plated toilets, nothing fancy about it. it's very not trump-like, and it's not an environment he would want to be associated with even if it were something he wouldn't want to own. >> right. >> so it's just the juxtaposition of him and his unwillingness to exceed to th
-- we've actually never heard from david pecker. hope hicks, we never really heard from her about this. and he's going to have to sit there and listen to it, he's not going to enjoy himself. and he's -- you can't guarantee he'll be able to control himself. >> yeah, and he's going to have to listen to it day in and day out. he gets a break on wednesdays. he's going to be accosted with a lot of material, a lot of tedium. and what does that do to a man you call a psychopathic narcissist?...
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but i think it is really david pecker. he's going to be the narrator for this entire thing. >> you look at how donald trump has talked about his 88 phony charges and there is a lot of bravado about the federal charges. he runs on the insurrection, he honors the insurrectionists, he described them, the violent ones as hostages. on mar-a-lago, he constantly talks to his supporters and conservative media, sean hannity and others, i was allowed to do it, they were personal records stuffed in there with my underwear. doesn't ever brag about, other than the access hollywood tape, but he doesn't brag about the alleged sex with karen mcdougal or with stormy daniels, or the alleged hush money payments that were filtered there you michael cohen that rudy giuliani went on fox news and confessed to on live television. he doesn't talk about the facts which is in trump terms pretty telling. >> he doesn't talk much about the facts or even the questions that are at stake. you don't hear him talk about stormy daniels all that much over the
but i think it is really david pecker. he's going to be the narrator for this entire thing. >> you look at how donald trump has talked about his 88 phony charges and there is a lot of bravado about the federal charges. he runs on the insurrection, he honors the insurrectionists, he described them, the violent ones as hostages. on mar-a-lago, he constantly talks to his supporters and conservative media, sean hannity and others, i was allowed to do it, they were personal records stuffed in...
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that is precisely what happened five months before the 2016 election when pecker's company, ami, paid play boy model karen mcdougall $150,000 to keep her from speaking out about her alleged nine-month affair with trump, which overlapped the birth of his fifth child by his third wife. in a 2018 non-prosecution agreement ami admitted they did it so mcdougall did not publicize damaging allegations about trump, quote, before the 2016 presidential election and thereby influence that election. and it was just a month before the election when pecker alerted cohen about another potential woman problem, namely adult film star stormy daniels, who was getting ready to speak out about her alleged affair with trump. and in case you forgot, which is hard to do, that was at the exact time when the infamous "access hollywood" tape was released with trump's claims of being able to grab women by the you know where and maybe even harder to remember given trump's spell over the republican party today, but republicans, including some evangelical leaders, actually began running from trump as a result of th
that is precisely what happened five months before the 2016 election when pecker's company, ami, paid play boy model karen mcdougall $150,000 to keep her from speaking out about her alleged nine-month affair with trump, which overlapped the birth of his fifth child by his third wife. in a 2018 non-prosecution agreement ami admitted they did it so mcdougall did not publicize damaging allegations about trump, quote, before the 2016 presidential election and thereby influence that election. and it...
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pecker, and trump's former fixer michael cohen. a prosecutor, joshua stein said on monday that the three men had, quote, conspired to influence the 2016 election. here is how it was explained by "new york times" reporter jim rootenberg in the documentary series the fourthest tate. >> it is the summer of the campaign and just another day at the office, a playboy model has emerged who is going to allege an affair with the president several months after the birth of his child with melania. what are you doing? michael cohen and inquirer does a catch and kill where they buy her story and for a deal in $150,000, she will not talk about the affair during the campaign and this is what it means to be donald trump's fixer. >> a scheme to interfere with the 2016 election now the foundation of the first ever criminal trial of an american ex-president is where we begin today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. with me at the table, sue craig is back. tristan smell is also here, from new york state where he led the investigation and
pecker, and trump's former fixer michael cohen. a prosecutor, joshua stein said on monday that the three men had, quote, conspired to influence the 2016 election. here is how it was explained by "new york times" reporter jim rootenberg in the documentary series the fourthest tate. >> it is the summer of the campaign and just another day at the office, a playboy model has emerged who is going to allege an affair with the president several months after the birth of his child with...
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they said in 2016 there was a meeting at trump tower, david pecker made a promise to the trump campaign. he was going to bury negative stories about donald trump, accentuate positive stories about donald trump and say denigrating things about his enemies. yesterday the d.a.'s office said these are headlines we want introduce as evidence of this scheme. that's how we saw a preview of the d.a.'s case yesterday. >> so the judge ruled against recusing himself. that was pushed to the side, that motion, very quickly. any other motions that stood out to you? after that, speak to the difficulty of picking this jury, if the lead question is, do you have any opinion about donald trump? arguably, the most famous person in the country right now. >> you are not looking for people who have no opinion. i will give you an example. we tried the 9/11 conspiracy in federal court in alexandria a few miles from the pentagon. we weren't looking for people who never heard of 9/11. we weren't looking for people who were neutral on al qaeda. we were looking for people who could say despite all those things, i c
they said in 2016 there was a meeting at trump tower, david pecker made a promise to the trump campaign. he was going to bury negative stories about donald trump, accentuate positive stories about donald trump and say denigrating things about his enemies. yesterday the d.a.'s office said these are headlines we want introduce as evidence of this scheme. that's how we saw a preview of the d.a.'s case yesterday. >> so the judge ruled against recusing himself. that was pushed to the side,...
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in 2016, that they had an agreement where david pecker would do the catch and kill for stories with donald trump, stories that would never appear, ones we heard a lot about, but also that he was somehow involved in stories that involved marco rubio, ted cruz, ben carner, hillary clinton. i don't quite know where that list ends, but i think we're going to hear a lot more about that relation sp. these guys have known each other for years. they both have very large estates down in palm beach and seem to go back a long time in terms of trading information that went right into the national enquirer and donald trump would help them out on stories. they had a very mutually beneficial relationship for years, and i think that the jury is going to hear a lot about that. >> why is that not a story of biased press and instead it's a story prosecutors say was effectively an illegal conspiracy, a conspiracy to influence the election? how does money make it a different thing than just a story about a tabloid? >> right. because you hear a lot about the national enquirer buying stories. and we hear
in 2016, that they had an agreement where david pecker would do the catch and kill for stories with donald trump, stories that would never appear, ones we heard a lot about, but also that he was somehow involved in stories that involved marco rubio, ted cruz, ben carner, hillary clinton. i don't quite know where that list ends, but i think we're going to hear a lot more about that relation sp. these guys have known each other for years. they both have very large estates down in palm beach and...
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we're going to learn that donald trump and david pecker went back years. and that during the 2000, and it could even be beyond the election in 2016, but that they had an agreement where david becker would do the catch and kill for stories with donald trump, stories that would never appear, the ones we heard a lot about, but also that he was involved in stories that involved marco rubio, ben cruz, hillary clinton. i don't know where that list ends, but i think we will hear a lot more about this relationship. these guys have known each other for years. they both have very large estates down in palm beach and have gone back a long time in terms of training information that went right into the "national enquirer." donald trump would help them out on stories. they had a very mutually beneficial relationship for years, and i think the jury will hear a lot about that. >> why is that not a story of biassed press? and instead, it is a story that prosecutors say was effectively an illegal conspiracy, a criminal conspiracy to influence the election. how does money ma
we're going to learn that donald trump and david pecker went back years. and that during the 2000, and it could even be beyond the election in 2016, but that they had an agreement where david becker would do the catch and kill for stories with donald trump, stories that would never appear, the ones we heard a lot about, but also that he was involved in stories that involved marco rubio, ben cruz, hillary clinton. i don't know where that list ends, but i think we will hear a lot more about this...
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that is david pecker and michael cohen. that establishes the agreement as long as the jury believes the witnesses, right? then once you have the agreement? what's it for? it's to conceal the fact and these are the words that are going to come from the judge, that come from the judge. to conceal the agreement to unlawfully influence the 2016 election. so that goes back to your . point as why would michael cohen do that? how does he benefit from that? he does not benefit from this agreement. donald trump is the one who benefitted and the witnesses we believe will be lined up are the ones like hope hicks who was on the campaign and we know from the search warrant from the southern district of new york that the precise times of calls calls that we know that the district attorney is looking at to establish hope hicks as a campaign operative actively and consistently in communication with michael cohen including a call that donald trump was on. right? all of this evidence to your point unless there is some way that the defense ca
that is david pecker and michael cohen. that establishes the agreement as long as the jury believes the witnesses, right? then once you have the agreement? what's it for? it's to conceal the fact and these are the words that are going to come from the judge, that come from the judge. to conceal the agreement to unlawfully influence the 2016 election. so that goes back to your . point as why would michael cohen do that? how does he benefit from that? he does not benefit from this agreement....
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when you go back to david pecker, the ceo of the parent company of "the national enquirer" and planned out a catch-and-skill team, and per michael cohen, with the a plan to plant stories that were negative about people like marco rubio, and ted cruz through the primary process. this case tells the story of, you look at michael cohen, an individual who flipped on donald trump. you look at allen weisselberg, currently in jail because he stood solely in the corner of donald trump, and as a consequence he finds himself in jail and unwilling to testify truthfully about donald trump. on in the totality of the nine years of donald trump, the contacts and individual we will be looking at brought forward by alvin bragg will be compelling voices, al while donald trump must sit there, required as a criminal defendant, to listen to the individuals who had been such key figures throughout the last ten years of his life. >> one of many, many services you provide is that you attend trump rallies, right? you hear the whole speech from the beginning to the middle to the end. i have seen enough of your
when you go back to david pecker, the ceo of the parent company of "the national enquirer" and planned out a catch-and-skill team, and per michael cohen, with the a plan to plant stories that were negative about people like marco rubio, and ted cruz through the primary process. this case tells the story of, you look at michael cohen, an individual who flipped on donald trump. you look at allen weisselberg, currently in jail because he stood solely in the corner of donald trump, and as...
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there were relationships between this man, david pecker, celebrities, people like donald trump who he is apparently going to acknowledge he wanted to squash this story as one former employee said, he knows where the bodies are buried. >> he does, and this is why he's an important witness. the question will be, can the prosecution, to whatever extent they're able to, elicit why, particularly in the case of stormy daniels. that is a part of alvin bragg's case. it's not necessarily essentially to his burden of proof. the charges do not require that alvin bragg establish the purpose of the catch and kill in this instance was connected to access hollywood. it's the story they're selling but it's not required by law. yes, you're absolutely right. this is someone who's going to really get into the details for the prosecution in terms of exactly what was the purpose for this. the question will become, in this instance, as it relates to stephanie clifford, aka, stormy daniels, was it about the "access hollywood" case and avoiding the fallout for the election. >> great to have you here in the s
there were relationships between this man, david pecker, celebrities, people like donald trump who he is apparently going to acknowledge he wanted to squash this story as one former employee said, he knows where the bodies are buried. >> he does, and this is why he's an important witness. the question will be, can the prosecution, to whatever extent they're able to, elicit why, particularly in the case of stormy daniels. that is a part of alvin bragg's case. it's not necessarily...
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in that evidence, it ties directly back to david pecker. in the august 2015 meeting at trump tower between michael cohen, david pecker and donald trump over the potential plan to not only have catch-and-kill stories to help benefit donald trump and his political campaign, but also they were pointing to evidence that the prosecution wanted to present tied to negative stories about donald trump's primary rivals, including ben carson, marco rubio. folks may recall salacious headlines about alleged infidelity of ted cruz that the "national enquirer" published. inside that courtroom, they showed -- with no jurors or potential jurors, they showed some of the headlines and some of this evidence that they would like to bring forward to establish the case that donald trump had ill intent that led to him writing those reimbursement checks to michael cohen knowing what he was agreeing to. judge merchan, despite the dispute of todd blanche, donald trump's attorney, said he will allow that evidence directly tied to pecker's meeting at the meeting in 201
in that evidence, it ties directly back to david pecker. in the august 2015 meeting at trump tower between michael cohen, david pecker and donald trump over the potential plan to not only have catch-and-kill stories to help benefit donald trump and his political campaign, but also they were pointing to evidence that the prosecution wanted to present tied to negative stories about donald trump's primary rivals, including ben carson, marco rubio. folks may recall salacious headlines about alleged...
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individuals like the name of david pecker. the reason i bring him up is this particular case goes bark 8 1/2 years. it was david pecker who was the ceo of american media, the parent company of the "national enquirer." it was the american media ceo david pecker who told the department of justice during their investigation that he met with michael cohen as well as donald trump all the way back in august of 2015 about catch-and-kill scheme in order to silence any alleged affairs that donald trump had. fast forward more than a year later, that's exactly what happened. the allegation that's been laid out is that two weeks before the 2016 election, that david pecker was the one that called michael cohen to come to him about stormy daniels story. that's what ultimately compelled michael cohen to try to buy her silence. fast forward eight years, it's led to this day here in april of 2024, donald trump about to take the stand facing 43 -- 34 felony counts here that could potentially lead to prison time and making the stakes of his whit
individuals like the name of david pecker. the reason i bring him up is this particular case goes bark 8 1/2 years. it was david pecker who was the ceo of american media, the parent company of the "national enquirer." it was the american media ceo david pecker who told the department of justice during their investigation that he met with michael cohen as well as donald trump all the way back in august of 2015 about catch-and-kill scheme in order to silence any alleged affairs that...