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he didn't sleep with stormy daniels. he took out the risk, took a risk of his own self, everything he did he did for trump. he did go to prison. in this case, is there some chance that walt nauta and the other fall guys in the case will go to prison and let trump skate? >> they may go to prison but i don't think trump is going to skate. >> if the case ever goes to trial. >> if it goes to trial, that's right. i think the government is in a weird position right now because right now, they know that the judge is backed off those crazy jury instructions that she asked them to do. which really the most bizarre thing i have ever seen. and they're kind of betwixted and between as to whether or not to take her up on appeal. >> let me ask you about today's michael cohen hearing. you were saying there are things in that transcript that people have not really highlighted. tell me one of those things. >> everybody now has access to these transcripts. they all went up on the -- >> in the new york hush money election interference case
he didn't sleep with stormy daniels. he took out the risk, took a risk of his own self, everything he did he did for trump. he did go to prison. in this case, is there some chance that walt nauta and the other fall guys in the case will go to prison and let trump skate? >> they may go to prison but i don't think trump is going to skate. >> if the case ever goes to trial. >> if it goes to trial, that's right. i think the government is in a weird position right now because right...
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you actually don't have to sort of hold stormy daniels in the highest of regard. you may feel like she has ulterior motives, but david pecker who knows donald trump the best have said these things and given us such a framework that is going to be corroborated and it helps them to a very big degree. and the other thing they if well today with pecker's testimony, is that they took away the notion of donald trump being removed. not only in terms of him being a micro manager as a business owner but placing him in conversations very specific about how these things would run. and to act as if you have no knowledge of this things is untenable. you can't maintain that from front of the jury so that was anective day by the prosecution and in terms of setting themselves up, with the witnesses they know are going to have some degree of challenges on the stand, they did a fantastic job. >> i was just thinking, because there was a discussion at the beginning of the trial about exactly how much of this relationship between david pecker and donald trump would be allowed in. and
you actually don't have to sort of hold stormy daniels in the highest of regard. you may feel like she has ulterior motives, but david pecker who knows donald trump the best have said these things and given us such a framework that is going to be corroborated and it helps them to a very big degree. and the other thing they if well today with pecker's testimony, is that they took away the notion of donald trump being removed. not only in terms of him being a micro manager as a business owner but...
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starts testifying in earnest about what trump knew about the payments to karen mcdougle and to stormy daniels and of course, after the election, two conversations that david pecker has been privy to have had with donald trump where trump essentially thanked him for his contributions to the campaign and for making it happen. >> we can't see what's happening inside the courtroom. we're relying on a google doc to give us a transcript. you can see what's happening. tell us. what is it like as the prosecutors try to make their case? as they're interviewing david pecker. that's the jury like? what's donald trump like in that room? >> well, i would say everybody is really attentive today, which hasn't always as you know been the case. donald trump's attention kind of fluctuates. he has come in on days and been extraordinarily bored. but when the subject is donald trump and donald trump directly, he stands at attention and he was very curious to hear how david pecker would describe his relationship. i would say his expression for the most part was fairly even. he was neither snarling at pecker as he
starts testifying in earnest about what trump knew about the payments to karen mcdougle and to stormy daniels and of course, after the election, two conversations that david pecker has been privy to have had with donald trump where trump essentially thanked him for his contributions to the campaign and for making it happen. >> we can't see what's happening inside the courtroom. we're relying on a google doc to give us a transcript. you can see what's happening. tell us. what is it like as...
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we could anticipate the daniels case. >> back on the stand thursday. thank you. let's talk about the big meeting that donald trump has planned tonight. dasha burns is following that story for us. trump is scheduled to meet with the former prime minister of japan. he is still a key member of the ruling party. so what's in it for both sides? >> this is part of a series of meetings with foreign leaders he's been taking over the last couple of weeks. last week, he met with the president of poland. the week before, he met with the british foreign secretary, david cameron. this is an attempt, while he is in court, to show that look, he is still doing this kind of work and foreign leaders are reaching out to him. he's in conversation with them. one thing you'll hear often from the former president on the campaign trial and in interviews is that you know, the world was much more peaceful while he was in office. he's trying to present a contrast when it comes to foreign policy between himself and president biden. here's what he had to say in a radio interview yesterday. >
we could anticipate the daniels case. >> back on the stand thursday. thank you. let's talk about the big meeting that donald trump has planned tonight. dasha burns is following that story for us. trump is scheduled to meet with the former prime minister of japan. he is still a key member of the ruling party. so what's in it for both sides? >> this is part of a series of meetings with foreign leaders he's been taking over the last couple of weeks. last week, he met with the president...
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david pecker describes the secret meeting to catch and kill stories from karen mcdougal and stormy daniels before they could sink donald trump's presidential campaign. now, that is not illegal. so, how does testimony from pecker help the prosecution prove that trump committed a crime? >>> plus, trump's attorney tieing himself in rhetorical knots, trying to defend trump's social media posts and convince the judge trump has not violated his gag order. todd blanche saying the president is being very careful and the frustrating judge responding, quote, you're losing all credibility with this court. why is he waiting to rule? >>> and taking its toll, with reporters observing trump as looking thinner and older, against many parts of today's proceedings with his eyes closed and venting his frustration on social media, what will be the impact on this trial and the race for president? we have got more on that coming up. >>> but we start with former national enquirer ceo david pecker back on the stand right now. one of the few men in the room with donald trump when the prosecution says the conspirac
david pecker describes the secret meeting to catch and kill stories from karen mcdougal and stormy daniels before they could sink donald trump's presidential campaign. now, that is not illegal. so, how does testimony from pecker help the prosecution prove that trump committed a crime? >>> plus, trump's attorney tieing himself in rhetorical knots, trying to defend trump's social media posts and convince the judge trump has not violated his gag order. todd blanche saying the president is...
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but also when he reposted others' posts about individuals like the jurors or stormy daniels or michael cohen, whether donald trump was in fact standing by those statements or endorsing them or approving of them. and that is where the judge was very specific in his frustrations with todd blanche, and so we could very well learn by day's end whether donald trump has violated and whether there's a fine or whether judge merchan as the prosecution would like, whether he will warn donald trump if he were to violate the gag order in the future he could potentially be put in jail through these proceedings. >> protecting jurors is a top priority. the judge has made that clear. what is your take on mr. trump's comments last night about the jury on that radio show? >> well, if you put together the comments, the ones last night as well as the ten others that are alleged by the d.a., and the arguments today where todd blanche tried to articulate some sort of defense, it's very clear that the judge is going to find at least one if not multiple violations of the gag order. it should be pointed out th
but also when he reposted others' posts about individuals like the jurors or stormy daniels or michael cohen, whether donald trump was in fact standing by those statements or endorsing them or approving of them. and that is where the judge was very specific in his frustrations with todd blanche, and so we could very well learn by day's end whether donald trump has violated and whether there's a fine or whether judge merchan as the prosecution would like, whether he will warn donald trump if he...
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pecker helped him do that, not just with stormy daniels but also with karen mcdougal. you start these tales in the beginning, josÉ, and the beginning here was the attempt to kill the story. then you had to pay to kill the story, and once you paid to kill the story you had to reflect the payments on your books, and when you reflected them in a fraudulent matter, you committed a crime, and when you committed that crime with the goal of committing another crime, that misdemeanor became a felony. where do you start when you are a prosecute? at the beginning. that's what mr. pecker is, the beginning. >> i remember when we just started covering this part of trump's many different legal crisis, there was a question about how strong this case was because of the differences and the mismeaner to felony county, one, whether time had passed -- what is it you, as a prosecution today, are starting to establish on that issue, the difficulties or maybe the weakest parts? >> i still think it's not necessarily a straightforward case as some of the others. it had challenges in terms of
pecker helped him do that, not just with stormy daniels but also with karen mcdougal. you start these tales in the beginning, josÉ, and the beginning here was the attempt to kill the story. then you had to pay to kill the story, and once you paid to kill the story you had to reflect the payments on your books, and when you reflected them in a fraudulent matter, you committed a crime, and when you committed that crime with the goal of committing another crime, that misdemeanor became a felony....
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it wasn't stormy daniels. it was david pecker. there must be a reason for that. they have faith in him. we'll see if he delivers today. >> he's also somebody notably that trump hasn't been attacking on social media when they're arguing this gag order and whether he violated it. the other key thing that we know of is what david pecker knew, what he was involved in, and we spoke with msnbc spoke with the former executive editor of "the national enquirer," who worked with pecker, he was on with nicolle wallace yesterday. take a listen. >> august 2015, two months after donald trump goes down the escalator where they had this meeting, michael cohen and it is trump and it is david pecker and where pecker says he'll be the eyes and ears of the campaign. the organization i used to work for will purchase negative stories off the market and will run negative stories about your rivals. david pecker can really act as a tour guide for the jury. >> kristen, he takes us back to 2015, before trump was president, during the campaign. how important is that, that meeting, in 2015,
it wasn't stormy daniels. it was david pecker. there must be a reason for that. they have faith in him. we'll see if he delivers today. >> he's also somebody notably that trump hasn't been attacking on social media when they're arguing this gag order and whether he violated it. the other key thing that we know of is what david pecker knew, what he was involved in, and we spoke with msnbc spoke with the former executive editor of "the national enquirer," who worked with pecker,...
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falsified records is because there was a plot, a conspiracy, a scheme to try to suppress what stormy daniels and karen mcdougal and others had to say about their lee azblauns with mr. trump and that set off a chain of events, payments to michael cohen disguised as retainers when, in fact, he was really just a pass-through to get about money to these women to keep them quiet. so in the context of a trial, and i think context matters, you want to tell a jury why it happened. you don't have to prove motive. but if you can prove motive, it makes it a much more powerful case. look, to your question about whether or not this is risky, trials are always risky. the government has a huge burden. they have to prove their case by proof beyond a reasonable doubt to a unanimous jury. there is always some risk. if you can explain why things happened and tell it in a chronological fashion, i actually think that makes a more compelling story for a jury. one that is easier for them to latch on to and to follow. >>> coming up, president biden will be in florida today putting a bright spotlight on state's abor
falsified records is because there was a plot, a conspiracy, a scheme to try to suppress what stormy daniels and karen mcdougal and others had to say about their lee azblauns with mr. trump and that set off a chain of events, payments to michael cohen disguised as retainers when, in fact, he was really just a pass-through to get about money to these women to keep them quiet. so in the context of a trial, and i think context matters, you want to tell a jury why it happened. you don't have to...
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there was the third one, stormy daniels. by this point, the inquirer was willing to make arrangements for her to be paid, to be quiet about that story. at that point they were not willing to put up additional money. michael cohen put up the money for that. the prosecutors explain this to the jury and then he says, prosecutor colangelo,, quote, cohen made the payment donald trump's direction benefit. he did it with the goal of influencing the outcome of the election. look, no politician wants bad press. the evidence at trial show it was not spinner communication strategy. it was a planned coordinated long-running conspiracy to influence the election, to help donald trump get elected through illegal expenditures. to silence people put something bad to say about his behavior using doctored corporate records and bank forms to conceal those payments along the way. it was election fraud pure and simple. we will never know if this conspiracy was the difference maker in a close election. you will see evidence and the defendant's on
there was the third one, stormy daniels. by this point, the inquirer was willing to make arrangements for her to be paid, to be quiet about that story. at that point they were not willing to put up additional money. michael cohen put up the money for that. the prosecutors explain this to the jury and then he says, prosecutor colangelo,, quote, cohen made the payment donald trump's direction benefit. he did it with the goal of influencing the outcome of the election. look, no politician wants...
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michael cohen audiotape donald trump telling him to go pay off stormy daniels. maybe he just wanted out of the goodness of his heart to give her hundreds of thousands of dollars, but i suspect something else was going on and thus it jury was suspected as much. >> this gag order hearing tomorrow, what do you think is going to come of this? is the judge really going to send donald trump to jail, whether or not -- we know if it was a regular old defended, given how he's conducted himself they would, but what will happen here? >> in a regular defendant, you were me, did what donald trump is doing terrifying so flagrantly this gag order would be looking at a 30 day jail sentence. jailing trump's heart for this judge to do right now. particularly, because the jury has been in pendleton this highly consequential case. that's why the prosecutors instead of asking for about 30 days in jail that's allowed under the law have asked really really what -- $1000 fine. which is peanuts for you. lying about his finances whether it's a lot or little but it's not jail time. there
michael cohen audiotape donald trump telling him to go pay off stormy daniels. maybe he just wanted out of the goodness of his heart to give her hundreds of thousands of dollars, but i suspect something else was going on and thus it jury was suspected as much. >> this gag order hearing tomorrow, what do you think is going to come of this? is the judge really going to send donald trump to jail, whether or not -- we know if it was a regular old defended, given how he's conducted himself...
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then the third one, stormy daniels. by this point the enquirer was still willing to make arrangements for her to be paid to be quiet about that story, by that point they were not ready to put up additional money. and so michael cohen put up the money for that. so the prosecutors explained all this to the jury, and then he says this, quote, cohen made that payment at donald trump's direction and for his benefit. and he did it with a specific goal of influencing the outcome of the election. now, look, no politician wants bad press, but the evidence at trial will show that this was not spin or communication strategy, this was a planned, coordinated, long running conspiracy to influbs the 2016 election, to help trump get elected through illegal expenditures, to silence people who had something bad to say about his behavior using doctored corporate records and bank forms to conceal those payments along the way. it was election fraud, pure and simple. we will never know, and it doesn't matter, if this conspiracy was the diffe
then the third one, stormy daniels. by this point the enquirer was still willing to make arrangements for her to be paid to be quiet about that story, by that point they were not ready to put up additional money. and so michael cohen put up the money for that. so the prosecutors explained all this to the jury, and then he says this, quote, cohen made that payment at donald trump's direction and for his benefit. and he did it with a specific goal of influencing the outcome of the election. now,...
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donald trump has pleaded not guilty and denies having any relationship with stormy daniels. we need some help here. let's get smarter with the help of our lead off panel, what stuck out to you? >> how badly the day went for trump. i think his lawyer struggled in the opening statements, and it was really notable because the state put on a convincing opening statement and i think you know, in particular, what todd blanche ran into, he couldn't say what his client wanted him to say, the defense didn't charge this case and so, he was left having to say things like, you know, this is president trump, you should all refer to him as president trump, there was stuff about how -- >> who cares. this the criminal trial and the argument you making is how you refer to, what you call them, that was his big moment? >> he led off with that. i think everyone in the courthouse kind of looked around and thought, is he really going with this argument, he eventually segued into saying, trump was ignorant and all of this and he couldn't be held accountable because this was all michael collins doi
donald trump has pleaded not guilty and denies having any relationship with stormy daniels. we need some help here. let's get smarter with the help of our lead off panel, what stuck out to you? >> how badly the day went for trump. i think his lawyer struggled in the opening statements, and it was really notable because the state put on a convincing opening statement and i think you know, in particular, what todd blanche ran into, he couldn't say what his client wanted him to say, the...
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stormy daniels has publicly described in detail. donald trump was alone in a hotel room with stormy daniels while donald trump's wife was e home with his four month old son at the time. the only people who can testify about what happened in that room are stormy daniels and donald trump, not donald trump's defense lawyer. donald trump is not going to testifying. there will never be a moment when donald trump sits on that witness stand and says i did not have with stormy daniels. today, donald trump's criminal defense lawyer did it for him. mr. blanche try to get away with testifying for donald trump in his opening statement by saying stormy daniels description of her sexual encounter with donald trump is false. according to stormy daniels, who has spoken about it ha publicly many times, it was a sexual encounter that did not last long and that in the pre- and post-sexual chatter, donald trump, among other things, compared stormy daniels to his oldest daughter. stormy daniels has given us my plenty of detail about. the essence of the
stormy daniels has publicly described in detail. donald trump was alone in a hotel room with stormy daniels while donald trump's wife was e home with his four month old son at the time. the only people who can testify about what happened in that room are stormy daniels and donald trump, not donald trump's defense lawyer. donald trump is not going to testifying. there will never be a moment when donald trump sits on that witness stand and says i did not have with stormy daniels. today, donald...
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stormy daniels for her part, yes, there may have been some communications but there's never been any allegation there was any sexual assault. she also is trying to extort him. and ndas, everybody does ndas. rich people do ndas. this was not any type of an effort to corrupt the election. and even to influence the election, there's nothing wrong with it, that's what democracy is all about. >> jill, it is a conspiracy case and i'm glad you brought up the case, it's not a hush money case. it's also a group of people who got together and committed crimes for someone else. in the case of the watergate burglars, in the case of even the attorney general of the united states, they committed the crimes and went to prison, but they did it for nixon. they didn't have any personal gain. in this case, donald trump is the only one who gained from this conspiracy. it's difficult for me to understand what the defense is if you say, yeah, all the things you say he did, he did, but there was nothing wrong with it. >> it's incredible. and i have been a defense lawyer as well as a prosecutor. and i can s
stormy daniels for her part, yes, there may have been some communications but there's never been any allegation there was any sexual assault. she also is trying to extort him. and ndas, everybody does ndas. rich people do ndas. this was not any type of an effort to corrupt the election. and even to influence the election, there's nothing wrong with it, that's what democracy is all about. >> jill, it is a conspiracy case and i'm glad you brought up the case, it's not a hush money case....
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, stormy daniels, stormy daniels. i thought if stormy daniels is in this indictment karen has to be here too, and i was just over there actually reading it on my iphone. i talk about this in the piece. and then i see dino the doorman is there. it was like a reunion tour of all these payments. and then crucially was that meeting, the meeting in 2015 is talked about in the indictment. and i did become overcome -- was overcome by emotion because everything that i was whispering late at night to friends in bars, conspiratrial saying there's something going on here and they were saying to me lachs you need to just chill out, it's not like there's a big conspiracy here to throw the election. well, it turns out there was actually a lot more to that than i appreciated at the time. so that moment to me down here was incredibly emotional because it just proved to me everything i thought for all those years was correct. >> yeah, there is a thing that trump world does where they make you think it's you, not them. and i've been co
, stormy daniels, stormy daniels. i thought if stormy daniels is in this indictment karen has to be here too, and i was just over there actually reading it on my iphone. i talk about this in the piece. and then i see dino the doorman is there. it was like a reunion tour of all these payments. and then crucially was that meeting, the meeting in 2015 is talked about in the indictment. and i did become overcome -- was overcome by emotion because everything that i was whispering late at night to...
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how to pay michael cohen, pay stormy daniels through michael cohen, and cover it up. i don't think that their argument that there was this ironclad wall between trump and his business during the presidency holds up. certainly wasn't true this a legal sense and a practical sense too. information about the business was kept from them. >> and eli, how does reporting square with what we have learned from cohen, for example, and the story the prosecutor and the defense laid out today. they were different stories. >> well, if you're talking about how this relates back to the election, what we know, and what we knew at the time was that this happened in the context of a very close race with a month or so to go until election day and polls starting to show the race moving away from trump after the first debate with hillary clinton, and so you can really see in the way the campaign reacted to it that, you know, this was something that they were concerned about. people very close to trump thought the race was over. thought he was going to have to drop out. or sort of politely u
how to pay michael cohen, pay stormy daniels through michael cohen, and cover it up. i don't think that their argument that there was this ironclad wall between trump and his business during the presidency holds up. certainly wasn't true this a legal sense and a practical sense too. information about the business was kept from them. >> and eli, how does reporting square with what we have learned from cohen, for example, and the story the prosecutor and the defense laid out today. they...
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you've got michael cohen, stormy daniels. their testimony doesn't matter because you can't focus on your client, so you've got to focus on dismantling their case. >> charles, how common is it to have two lawyers on a jury like this? >> not common at all. >> so it raised a question for me, because one of the things we've talked about in the days leading up to this is how, once they have the jury, they try to target and refine their opening statement, right? do the two lawyers view this very differently, catherine christian, likely than the other jurors? >> they don't appear to be trial lawyers, so it's very different. i heard someone write they've heard this instruction lots of times. most lawyers aren't trial lawyers. if they're trial lawyers, yes, they're used to objection and sustained. if they've never set foot in the courtroom, they're lawyers. i have a bias, i would never put a lawyer on a jury unless that's all i'm left with. i'm afraid they're thinking too much because that's what lawyers do, and they're second-guessin
you've got michael cohen, stormy daniels. their testimony doesn't matter because you can't focus on your client, so you've got to focus on dismantling their case. >> charles, how common is it to have two lawyers on a jury like this? >> not common at all. >> so it raised a question for me, because one of the things we've talked about in the days leading up to this is how, once they have the jury, they try to target and refine their opening statement, right? do the two lawyers...
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he moves on to stephanie clifforded, also known as stormy daniels. he talks about donald trump needing stormy daniels in 2006, how they talked about the apprentice at the time and the possibility of her becoming a contestant on the apprentice. stormy daniels dined off of that story for years now, writing a book, doing a documentary as well. and then he says, and i quote, i'm going to say something else about her testimony, and this is important. it does not matter. her testimony while salacious does not matter, and then he goes on to talk about the catch does not matter. then he talks about the catch and kill scheme. he reminds the jury the president hasn't been charged. he says catch and kill to purchase the rights is not against the law. he says i quote i encourage you to listen over the next couple of days when you hear mr. pecker testify. catch and kill is not against the law. todd blanche has wrapped up in fact his opening statements, guys. as we move on to see if we're going to hear from the first witness, david pecker. >> opening statement, 35
he moves on to stephanie clifforded, also known as stormy daniels. he talks about donald trump needing stormy daniels in 2006, how they talked about the apprentice at the time and the possibility of her becoming a contestant on the apprentice. stormy daniels dined off of that story for years now, writing a book, doing a documentary as well. and then he says, and i quote, i'm going to say something else about her testimony, and this is important. it does not matter. her testimony while salacious...
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it's not just a one-off with stormy daniels. it's the fact that this was a scheme that involved others. karen mcdougal is expected to testify, and the doorman they'll be hearing about who apparently had some information about donald trump that was false, but they paid him off, too. this is going to make it harder for donald trump to say, i know nothing, the whole sergeant schultz defense. you're part of the scheme. there's even a recording that michael cohen took secretly that shows trump knew about this, was part of this. it's not just some rogue accountant who did the falsification of business records, all part of this scheme that lasted a while and started way before stormy daniels. >> it's so interesting. amanda carpenter, there's so much going on in this trial, so much that's going to come out, lewd and lascivious behavior, details that perhaps donald trump would prefer not out there or not having to sit and listen to quietly in a chair in a courtroom. but beyond that, latisha james saying the money he posted in his fraught
it's not just a one-off with stormy daniels. it's the fact that this was a scheme that involved others. karen mcdougal is expected to testify, and the doorman they'll be hearing about who apparently had some information about donald trump that was false, but they paid him off, too. this is going to make it harder for donald trump to say, i know nothing, the whole sergeant schultz defense. you're part of the scheme. there's even a recording that michael cohen took secretly that shows trump knew...
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this is not a one-off payment to stormy daniels, but a scheme to prevent things being said. karen mcdougal is expected to testify. a doorman apparently had information that turned out to be false about trump's love child. i think it's damaging for the former president who's going to use the sergeant schultz defense, i know nothing. >> you look at how the prosecutors are going to paint a picture after the "access hollywood" case comes out. i was covering him at that point. people were freaking out. they thought it was over for trump. they didn't want it to get any worse. >>> i have one legal moment. looking ahead later this week to thursday, there's a case with big implications in the supreme court. they'll take up trump's immunity claims. litz cheney is out with a new op-ed this morning, do this quickly. why does speed matter here? >> it matters because the case that poses the greatest existential threat to donald trump's freedom is the d.c. election interference case in front of judge chutkan who wants this case to go, but she can't let it go until the supreme court finishe
this is not a one-off payment to stormy daniels, but a scheme to prevent things being said. karen mcdougal is expected to testify. a doorman apparently had information that turned out to be false about trump's love child. i think it's damaging for the former president who's going to use the sergeant schultz defense, i know nothing. >> you look at how the prosecutors are going to paint a picture after the "access hollywood" case comes out. i was covering him at that point. people...
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accuses trump of interfering in the 2016 election by disguising payments to adult film star, stormy daniels, to quiet her allegation of a past sexual encounter with trump, as legal expenses. trump has pleaded not guilty and denies any wrongdoing and says he will testify in his own defense and tomorrow, judge merchan will decide how he can be cross-examined if he does take the stand. during jury selection last week, and angry and defiant donald trump tried making his case to the only cameras allowed, outside the courtroom. here is a taste of his mini hallway press conference. >> this is a case that should never have been put forward. it's an assault on america. it's legal expenses. all of these are stories from legal experts, saying how this is not a case. the case is ridiculous. another one, the case is ridiculous. the judge has to take off this gag order. it's very unfair that my constitutional rights have been taken away. >> prosecutors say that trump already violated his gag order at least 10 times, including sharing comments on social media, calling jurors " undercover liberal activist.
accuses trump of interfering in the 2016 election by disguising payments to adult film star, stormy daniels, to quiet her allegation of a past sexual encounter with trump, as legal expenses. trump has pleaded not guilty and denies any wrongdoing and says he will testify in his own defense and tomorrow, judge merchan will decide how he can be cross-examined if he does take the stand. during jury selection last week, and angry and defiant donald trump tried making his case to the only cameras...
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him and tells that story, because it's remarkable and has been chalked up to oh, it's about stormy daniels did know, trump is basically capturing media, the parties most worried about, and paying them for silence. that's a remarkable thing and interfered with the 2016 election in a massive way and that's the story we hear tomorrow. >> we have locklin cartwright last week, and his story is remarkable. he was the number two guy at the time. we will see a lot of both of you on our televisions over the next several days and weeks. >>> next, an interview with gavin newsom. i will ask about donald trump's trial, joe biden's prospects, and a draw -- a jaw-dropping new ad he's debuting, focusing on reproductive rights. we will be right back with governor gavin newsom. and built for adventure. which can also be your own quiet cabin in the woods. the fully electric q8 e-tron. an electric vehicle that recharges you. how we get there matters. ok y'all we got ten orders coming in.. big orders! starting a business is never easy, but starting it eight months pregnant.. that's a different story. i couldn'
him and tells that story, because it's remarkable and has been chalked up to oh, it's about stormy daniels did know, trump is basically capturing media, the parties most worried about, and paying them for silence. that's a remarkable thing and interfered with the 2016 election in a massive way and that's the story we hear tomorrow. >> we have locklin cartwright last week, and his story is remarkable. he was the number two guy at the time. we will see a lot of both of you on our...
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he is not running on his alleged affair with stormy daniels or mcdougal or the checks haddie wrote from the oval office, he is not running on the facts because these are not facts he wants throughout >> no, and even worse that than. all he is looking to do is create symbols for more people to buy into the narrative he has created. this narrative that justice is against him. there are some republicans that don't believe it but play believe if they saw him in handcuffs because they would say that is too far. he wants to be seen as a martyr in the alt right. he is trying to bait as barb had said, the, you know, official in all of these cases to step over what his supporters would consider a line and create that scenario. i remember debating this during the trump administration with someone famously said they hope donald trump would be removed from the oval office in a straight jacket and he would handcuff himself to the resolute desk. i think you know come senior official i am referring to. i disagreed at the time that would send the message that this guy was out of his mind, trump knew if
he is not running on his alleged affair with stormy daniels or mcdougal or the checks haddie wrote from the oval office, he is not running on the facts because these are not facts he wants throughout >> no, and even worse that than. all he is looking to do is create symbols for more people to buy into the narrative he has created. this narrative that justice is against him. there are some republicans that don't believe it but play believe if they saw him in handcuffs because they would...
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a check while he was president, a check that went to michael cohen, that ultimately went to stormy daniels, it all related back to conduct that took place before he became president and he was sort of wrapping it up it was in no way a presidential duty and i've not team are you it was a presidential duty. >> carol and molly, thank you . >>> still ahead, what to do about major ethics concerns on the supreme court. congresswoman stansbury has an idea. she joins me, next. nering on 5g-powered analytics to help improve player performance. t-mobile's network helps aaa stay connected nationwide... to get their members back on the road. and las vegas grand prix chose t-mobile to help fuel operations for one of the world's largest racing events. now is the time to see what america's largest 5g network can do for your business. hello, ghostbusters. it's doug. we help people customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. we got a bit of a situation. [ metal groans] sure, i can hold. ♪ liberty liberty liberty liberty ♪ in theaters now. nothing dims my light like a migraine. wit
a check while he was president, a check that went to michael cohen, that ultimately went to stormy daniels, it all related back to conduct that took place before he became president and he was sort of wrapping it up it was in no way a presidential duty and i've not team are you it was a presidential duty. >> carol and molly, thank you . >>> still ahead, what to do about major ethics concerns on the supreme court. congresswoman stansbury has an idea. she joins me, next. nering on...
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accuses trump of interfering in the 2016 election, by disguising payments to adult film star stormy daniels to keep quiet, her allegation of a pass sexual encounter with trump as legal expenses. trump has pleaded not guilty and denies any wrong doing. he says he'll testify in his own defense. tomorrow, the judge will decide how he could be cross examined if he does take the stand. during jury selection last week, angry and defiant donald trump would try to make his case to the only cameras allowed, outside the courtroom. here is a taste of the hallway press conferences. >> this case should have never been brought into america. it is called legal expenses, what you're suppose to call it. and all the legal experts, they are saying how this is not a case. the case is ridiculous. and this is another one where the case is ridiculous. the judge will have to take off the gag order where it is very, very unfair that my constitutional rights have been taken away. >> prosecutors say trump has already violated his gag order at least ten times, including sharing a comment on social media calling jurors
accuses trump of interfering in the 2016 election, by disguising payments to adult film star stormy daniels to keep quiet, her allegation of a pass sexual encounter with trump as legal expenses. trump has pleaded not guilty and denies any wrong doing. he says he'll testify in his own defense. tomorrow, the judge will decide how he could be cross examined if he does take the stand. during jury selection last week, angry and defiant donald trump would try to make his case to the only cameras...
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cohen has already served a prison sentence in the hush money payments made to stormy daniels for he is describing there, donald trump, and how he operates more like a true mob boss so far his first criminal trial has had many of the hallmarks and challenges of trying to prosecute one joining us at the table, former federal prosecutor, former st and not deputy chief msnbc legal analyst, kristi greenberg pick she was also at the courthouse today. miles is still with us. so we are peppering you with questions at the break let's just start with what you were telling us about your thoughts about the jury that has been a panel. >> so i think day one, there were a few questionable jurors, one of them, luckily, has now been excused because they found out he had a prior arrest. some of them, there were a few red flags i think somebody who says they have no opinion, who follows the news and says they follow lawsuits and is up-to- date on things but say they have absolutely no opinion about trump's character, that just strikes me as a little far- fetched. i feel like most people who follow this h
cohen has already served a prison sentence in the hush money payments made to stormy daniels for he is describing there, donald trump, and how he operates more like a true mob boss so far his first criminal trial has had many of the hallmarks and challenges of trying to prosecute one joining us at the table, former federal prosecutor, former st and not deputy chief msnbc legal analyst, kristi greenberg pick she was also at the courthouse today. miles is still with us. so we are peppering you...
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if stormy daniels were to testify, you've also mentioned hope hicks before. do all of these folks have good reason to make trump nervous? >> david becker was a trump loyalist. part of not just this scheme but other hush money payment schemes. to the karen mcdougal case, the doorman trying to sell a story about trump fathering a child out of wedlock which was false. you can set the stage for this not being a one-off that trump of course knew because it was a pattern. i still think that it's my ctv here. she continues to be a loyalist to donald trump. she was in the room when it happened on air force one steaming has close while trump was still wearing them. she has no reason to lie. she hears things and to me it is surprising that she will testify but according to reports, she testified already before the grand jury and testify truthfully. it looks like she will be a key corroborating witness for michael:. >> could have gone all day without mentioning hope hicks steaming has close while wearing them. thanks so much. anything to see both of you. thank you both.
if stormy daniels were to testify, you've also mentioned hope hicks before. do all of these folks have good reason to make trump nervous? >> david becker was a trump loyalist. part of not just this scheme but other hush money payment schemes. to the karen mcdougal case, the doorman trying to sell a story about trump fathering a child out of wedlock which was false. you can set the stage for this not being a one-off that trump of course knew because it was a pattern. i still think that...
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david michael cohen, maybe stormy daniels. who do you think would be the most effective witness for the prosecution? >> well, i think michael cohen is going to be the most important one. he was trump's fixer. he was right next to him. he pleaded guilty to federal charges for this hush money deal and another ones. he obviously has credibility issues because of that. he also is the one who's going to be able to tell the story. david is hugely important because he knew trump going back to the 1990s. he was directly involved in three hush money deals. so, he will also -- he's never spoken publicly about this. he will also be very important. >> he may be first. we will see. >> very good to talk with you. thank you so much. >>> cary lakes says her supporters may have to strap on a clock for the next six months. what prompted her to say that, you will hear her words in my they could be dangerous straight ahead. number one, because it's effective. does not require a prescription. and i've been taking it quite a while myself and i know
david michael cohen, maybe stormy daniels. who do you think would be the most effective witness for the prosecution? >> well, i think michael cohen is going to be the most important one. he was trump's fixer. he was right next to him. he pleaded guilty to federal charges for this hush money deal and another ones. he obviously has credibility issues because of that. he also is the one who's going to be able to tell the story. david is hugely important because he knew trump going back to...
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stormy daniels and michael cohen . stormy daniels said she had with trump in 2006, which trump denies. and she was paid off for being silent. 34 counts of falsifying business records to influence the 2016 election. the former president of the united states and the republican presumptive nominee is found guilty, he could face up to for years in prison. >> thank you. let's go to the former bronx, new york assistant district attorney. she was in court for the first week. and the former prosecutor in the district attorney's office in texas and now a civil rights attorney. welcome to both of you. while trump's sits for the hush money trial tomorrow, the judge will hear an argument to reject the bond. does this mean he might again be facing seizure of assets? >> thank you for having me. i think that this certainly puts us in to it an unprecedented situation where we were a few weeks ago where there were concerns that he was not going to make this bond. we would be back to square one. if this bond is voided, the attorney gene
stormy daniels and michael cohen . stormy daniels said she had with trump in 2006, which trump denies. and she was paid off for being silent. 34 counts of falsifying business records to influence the 2016 election. the former president of the united states and the republican presumptive nominee is found guilty, he could face up to for years in prison. >> thank you. let's go to the former bronx, new york assistant district attorney. she was in court for the first week. and the former...
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him and told i that story because it is a remarkable story that has been k chalked up to about stormy daniels. he is basically capturing a part of the media that he is most worried about and paying st them off through their silence. that is a remarkable thing. at it interfered with the 2016 election in a massive way, and that is the story we will hear tomorrow.>> his story is remarkable. the number two guy at owthe national enquirer at the time. we will see a lot of you both on our televisions over the ur next several days and weeks, but thank you for joining me. >>> up next. in my interview with gavin newsom. i will ask him about donald trump's trial, joe biden's new aspects, and a new ad he is dropping. we will be right back with governor gavin newsom. governor gavin newsom. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. nothing dims my light like a migraine. with nurtec odt, i found relief. the only migraine medication that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic mig
him and told i that story because it is a remarkable story that has been k chalked up to about stormy daniels. he is basically capturing a part of the media that he is most worried about and paying st them off through their silence. that is a remarkable thing. at it interfered with the 2016 election in a massive way, and that is the story we will hear tomorrow.>> his story is remarkable. the number two guy at owthe national enquirer at the time. we will see a lot of you both on our...
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you have got the drama around the witnesses with both stormy daniels and michael cohen and what that looks like and how it plays out. what i also find even more dramatic and certainly more important to how this child is ultimately going to go, is the jury itself. you have any ceballos he reported, regarding trump's behavior noting trump has built a reputation as a showman. he is an outsized presence physically and rhetorically. performance artist and especially cocky behavior serves trump well it is rallies and in front of the camera. in my experience, juries don't usually appreciate it. i think that is important. is it possible that trump loses the jury before the trial effectively begins? >> i think we saw that in the e. jean carroll trial and i think we saw that in the civil fraud trial, that his behavior in court didn't reflect well on him. it didn't reflect well on him being subject to the rule of law and the process that all other americans are subject to when they are involved in litigation. i think the jurors are making impressions about the defendant from day one. day one wa
you have got the drama around the witnesses with both stormy daniels and michael cohen and what that looks like and how it plays out. what i also find even more dramatic and certainly more important to how this child is ultimately going to go, is the jury itself. you have any ceballos he reported, regarding trump's behavior noting trump has built a reputation as a showman. he is an outsized presence physically and rhetorically. performance artist and especially cocky behavior serves trump well...
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and went on to his discussion about stormy daniels. the book is about something much larger and something that took place long before trump came to office. is basically about the revival of superpower conflict i would say the first 100-150 pages of the book would examine the question of how it was that the united states so deceived itself into believing that china and russia, four for completely separate reasons, would join western institutions and then how we reacted in under reacted when that unraveled. and the russia case, we had plenty of warning. but a putin came to the munich security conference in 2007 and a place david and i and ed had to show up and he railed against the parts of russia that he believed had been wrested from the country after the dissolution of the soviet union. seven years later, he of course annexed crimea. it took us a year to put sanctions together and only with the big invasion of ukraine have we really seen that take place in a big way, a big reaction. china's case is slightly different. but it was xi ji
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i expect a lot of it will be about michael cohen, stormy daniels and a lack of credibility. >> let me stick with you one quick second. you said we will see the narrative for the first time. the opening statement, is that when we will hear maybe new evidence, things we haven't heard before? >> it is very possible. there is a reason lawyers call them opening statements instead of opening argument. closing arguments is the right terminology because lawyers are doing what the evidence showed. an opening statement is a narrative about what the facts will show in the trial and what evidence the jury should expect to see. we should learn some new things on monday. >> catherine, what will you be watching for? >> it is a preview of the evidence. it is a table of contents for the jury. it shouldn't be very long. you don't want to bore the jury. you are not doing arguments. i am looking to see what evidence we don't know about that wasn't in the indictment, that wasn't in the statement of facts that hasn't been leaked. that's very interesting. the difference opening, first of all, in new york, t
i expect a lot of it will be about michael cohen, stormy daniels and a lack of credibility. >> let me stick with you one quick second. you said we will see the narrative for the first time. the opening statement, is that when we will hear maybe new evidence, things we haven't heard before? >> it is very possible. there is a reason lawyers call them opening statements instead of opening argument. closing arguments is the right terminology because lawyers are doing what the evidence...
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so in 2016, they did not allegedly have an affair with stormy daniels. we learn about that before the election. when the access hollywood tape. there was something else. that is also risky. that is the falling asleep in the courtroom. you don't have to understand the law. or any type of nuance. the guy is 77 is falling asleep. three times in one week. what has happened? jon stewart has made fun of it. jimmy kimmel, stephen colbert and he has been a punchline. that translates to politics. the average person might not get it. but they know a 77-year-old man does not have to stamina to stay awake. and with 34 felonies. beep president? to me, that is the most damaging. it is this issue. everybody can get it. he cannot stay awake. he was not the same person that he is four years ago. >> renati marriot, this is unique. stressful for the jurors who have been tasked with it. one potential juror broke down and i have to be honest. i feel so nervous and anxious. i am sorry. you know, given donald trump's nature and his supporters come to his defense. given that we
so in 2016, they did not allegedly have an affair with stormy daniels. we learn about that before the election. when the access hollywood tape. there was something else. that is also risky. that is the falling asleep in the courtroom. you don't have to understand the law. or any type of nuance. the guy is 77 is falling asleep. three times in one week. what has happened? jon stewart has made fun of it. jimmy kimmel, stephen colbert and he has been a punchline. that translates to politics. the...
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he didn't have sex with stormy daniels. didn't have anything to do with that. he just paid her himself, personally. nobody else was involved. and he wouldn't say anything else about it. he wouldn't say what the payment was for. but that it was totally legal. nothing to see here. it was all above board. nevertheless, the fbi decided there was something to see. they persuaded a judge there was something to see. they got a court ordered search warrant to search michael cohen's office. and they seized business records and emails and documents. and then, michael cohen was told he was going to be charged with federal crimes. and then, michael cohen struck a plea deal with federal prosecutors with the u.s. attorney's office in the southern district of new york. he pled guilty to campaign finance violations and other charges. he admitted that he had arranged this payment to ms. daniels and to another woman who said she had a nine month long affair with trump. he said he arranged these payments, he coordinated to make sure these women would get paid. to stay quiet about
he didn't have sex with stormy daniels. didn't have anything to do with that. he just paid her himself, personally. nobody else was involved. and he wouldn't say anything else about it. he wouldn't say what the payment was for. but that it was totally legal. nothing to see here. it was all above board. nevertheless, the fbi decided there was something to see. they persuaded a judge there was something to see. they got a court ordered search warrant to search michael cohen's office. and they...
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florida republican congressman david jolly and msnbc political analyst eugene daniels, playbook co-author and right house reporter for politico. he is also an msnbc political contributor. it's great to have both of you with us. david, i'll start with you. some democrats comparing this moment with the israel aid debate to a moral position back in 2003 against the iraq war. what do you make of that, and the number of democrats who came out today to vote no on what once would've been almost an automatic yes vote in support of funding more money to israel? >> that's right. the no votes today are significant, ayman. look, i think it's clear that the policy of the united states is still overwhelmingly pro- israel, to ally with israel in their current war. but we cannot overlook that the domestic politics, particularly within the democratic party, have shifted from what we've seen over the past several decades, and you see joe biden realizing that and trying to pay attention to those concerns. we have seen this in vote at the bell xbox during the biden democratic primary race. we're now seeing i
florida republican congressman david jolly and msnbc political analyst eugene daniels, playbook co-author and right house reporter for politico. he is also an msnbc political contributor. it's great to have both of you with us. david, i'll start with you. some democrats comparing this moment with the israel aid debate to a moral position back in 2003 against the iraq war. what do you make of that, and the number of democrats who came out today to vote no on what once would've been almost an...
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their defenses and they have not seen the entire case, so i expect a lot of it will be about stormy daniels and the lack of credibility, alleged. >> let me . ask you, you said l me see the narrative for the first time, the opening statements, is that when we will hear maybe new evidence, things we have not heard before? >> it is very possible. there is a reason why lawyers call them opening statements instead of opening arguments. closing arguments, that is the right terminology, but an opening statement, which is what they prefer, is a declaration and narrative about what the facts will show and what the jury should expect to see at the trial. we should learn some new things on monday. >> catherine, what will you be watching for? >> exactly, it is a preview of the evidence, a table of contents for the jury. it should not be very long. you know, you do not want to bore the jury. you're not doing arguments, so i am looking to see what evidence that we don't know about, that was not in the indictment or the statement of facts, that has not been league, so that is very interesting, the defense
their defenses and they have not seen the entire case, so i expect a lot of it will be about stormy daniels and the lack of credibility, alleged. >> let me . ask you, you said l me see the narrative for the first time, the opening statements, is that when we will hear maybe new evidence, things we have not heard before? >> it is very possible. there is a reason why lawyers call them opening statements instead of opening arguments. closing arguments, that is the right terminology,...
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on the personal level, he allegedly began her relationship with stormy daniels, the star, about four months after his son was born to him and his wife. he is now in a courtroom setting, i should be let out of this courtroom. it is in abridgment of my rights as a father. i cannot go to my son's high school graduation. he has had a very loose and elastic definition of what it means to be responsible father over the years. he is not afraid to invoke a court now. i think he is deeply embarrassed by that side of the case. on the legal side of it, i think it is unlikely he goes to jail at the end of this but there is the possibility. while he has said publicly, i would be happy to go to jail. and also publicly, comparing himself to al capone. with any other candidate, that would be a recipe for disaster but with trump it is expected. i don't think he wants to go to jail and he does not want to be tested by the law. i think you will be seeing more lashing out. and the court will see how to dress donald trump when it arose up the norms and the judicial process that he is facing right now. >>
on the personal level, he allegedly began her relationship with stormy daniels, the star, about four months after his son was born to him and his wife. he is now in a courtroom setting, i should be let out of this courtroom. it is in abridgment of my rights as a father. i cannot go to my son's high school graduation. he has had a very loose and elastic definition of what it means to be responsible father over the years. he is not afraid to invoke a court now. i think he is deeply embarrassed by...
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and the processor gave it to daniels and she didn't take it. the process server left it at her feet but informed her that she was being subpoenaed. basically stormy daniels lawyer says that is not adequate service and she was not aprized of what she was being given and dumping it as someone's feet is not stigs. this is something that will come before judge merchan and he will have to figure out how to prosode with this. it is kind of silly because stormy daniels will be testifying in the trial for the prosecution. she has already going to come under cross-examination. it is not clear what the benefit of either side was in resisting the subpoena in the way she did. this is going to be one of the things that judge merchan will have to deal with as we get into this trial. >> can i ask you quickly, charles, is she considered having been served even though she didn't touch it or take it? it landed at her feet. was she served? >> generally speaking that is going to be a factual question for judge merchan to respond to. i think in this case, i think h
and the processor gave it to daniels and she didn't take it. the process server left it at her feet but informed her that she was being subpoenaed. basically stormy daniels lawyer says that is not adequate service and she was not aprized of what she was being given and dumping it as someone's feet is not stigs. this is something that will come before judge merchan and he will have to figure out how to prosode with this. it is kind of silly because stormy daniels will be testifying in the trial...
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withering cross-examination and scandalous details of this payment and the relationship with stormy daniels and everything else, but also to cross-examination of the bad axiom committed. you made a mention of the sandoval hearing. that hasn't been decided, yet. but, when someone decides to testify, the judge can allow the prosecutors to bring in a whole host of other bad acts and salacious activities on the part of the defendant that otherwise would not be able to be brought in. i do not think trump would perform well in cross- examination, either, in terms of his comportment and his respect for the judges and questioners. we have seen that with ireland, he has been admonished for that in the courtroom. to go even further south if he takes the witness stand, so i don't think you will do it. >> later on in the show, i will talk about the contempt hearing that is coming up on tuesday. taking a deep dive not only procedurally, but substantively, what to expect. i will ask you this because you have been in new york for a long time in the legal system. what could juan merchan do more than a $100
withering cross-examination and scandalous details of this payment and the relationship with stormy daniels and everything else, but also to cross-examination of the bad axiom committed. you made a mention of the sandoval hearing. that hasn't been decided, yet. but, when someone decides to testify, the judge can allow the prosecutors to bring in a whole host of other bad acts and salacious activities on the part of the defendant that otherwise would not be able to be brought in. i do not think...
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karen mcdougle, stormy daniels, the alleged one year affair when his third wife had delivered his fifth child, he pays off a fill starm. those are salacious details. this is a man who is supposed to be the candidate of evangelicals. >> right. >> so i think this is not so helpful. >> someone will have to have a squaring off with who they are with their beliefs. thank you molly. >>> still ahead on velshi, we will watch capitol hill where house members are working to pass a long stalled aid package and others are working to oust the speaker. >>> and the story of a red state governor who figures prominently on trump's vp short list got herself banned on one fifth of the land in her own state. >>> and then maulik choley talks to us about the book he wrote on kids navigating multicultural layers. but now it is not just his book being banned. the shocking story of censorship ahead. nned the shocking story of censorship ahead. wedding?? why can't they use my backyard!! with empower, we get all of our financial questions answered. so we don't have to worry. empower. what's next. try killing bugs
karen mcdougle, stormy daniels, the alleged one year affair when his third wife had delivered his fifth child, he pays off a fill starm. those are salacious details. this is a man who is supposed to be the candidate of evangelicals. >> right. >> so i think this is not so helpful. >> someone will have to have a squaring off with who they are with their beliefs. thank you molly. >>> still ahead on velshi, we will watch capitol hill where house members are working to...
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even michael cohen worked on intimidation, stormy daniels said people came up to her with her daughter in the parking lot. remember, his mentor was roy cohn, someone famously disbarred for his malfeasance. i do think this is very much to be expected. and it runs contrary to what the laws are. >> the two important witnesses we will hear from, stormy daniels and michael cohen, the pressure on them must be remarkable because people know them and they have a presence. they will be targeted despite the fact there are rules that say donald trump cannot do this. great to see you both in real life. joanne, great to see you . molly jong-fast is a special correspondent of "vanity fair" and a msnbc analyst . msnbc is the author of the relevant book, "the field of blood." >>> the house is debating i had a four expected votes, aid for ukraine and israel, security with taiwan and tiktok, i will discuss those pieces of legislation and the important room the democrats play in helping speaker johnson get those votes to the floor in the first place. congressman adam smith of the armed services committee
even michael cohen worked on intimidation, stormy daniels said people came up to her with her daughter in the parking lot. remember, his mentor was roy cohn, someone famously disbarred for his malfeasance. i do think this is very much to be expected. and it runs contrary to what the laws are. >> the two important witnesses we will hear from, stormy daniels and michael cohen, the pressure on them must be remarkable because people know them and they have a presence. they will be targeted...
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when stormy daniels takes the stand, if michael cohen takes a stand, when these things happen, it will only increase the amount of pressure and stress collectively on everyone who is a stakeholder in the process. that will increase anything that is very different. >> to both of your points, and i made this point when we were driving in this hour. you sort of laid out the tiktok of what happened in that jury selection process. and then of course, the hours after that you have josie waters on fox news as the daily beast reports sowing doubt in his segment regarding the jurors with a quote "i think at this point, we can say that it won't be an acquittal. what the hell do you have to base that on mr. waters? this is the problem. you are absolutely right that monday morning, you could have jurors come in who are like, i just don't want to be part of this. but that is the point, folks. that is what the josie waters and trump fans want to have happen. they want to poison the outcome. they want to undermine the system of justice and the risk that these individuals are taking is an important ri
when stormy daniels takes the stand, if michael cohen takes a stand, when these things happen, it will only increase the amount of pressure and stress collectively on everyone who is a stakeholder in the process. that will increase anything that is very different. >> to both of your points, and i made this point when we were driving in this hour. you sort of laid out the tiktok of what happened in that jury selection process. and then of course, the hours after that you have josie waters...
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i was hoping he would be with daniel. >> not that lucky? >> no. >> immediately when he saw me, he turned pale. you can see the blood just draining from his face. >> the plan was to make dan talk, and fast. so they hit him with it heavy charge -- accessory to julie's murder after the fact. and then back at the station, he rolled over like a trained seal. dan everett monitored his interview. dan readily admitted to a crime. >> is alleging that he and his sam came up with this conspiracy to commit fraud and use this wesley could to implement it. >> dan says sam gave him his atm card. the plan was to have wesley withdraw money, and then sam would report the money stolen so the bank would reimburse it. but dan said before they had the chance to make any real money, something went wrong. josh mankiewicz (voiceover): they rushed out of the apartment, dan said. and as they drove, sam dropped a bombshell. >> they rushed out of the apartment, dan said. and as they drove, sam dropped a bombshell. dan said sam told him everything. photos of his friene
i was hoping he would be with daniel. >> not that lucky? >> no. >> immediately when he saw me, he turned pale. you can see the blood just draining from his face. >> the plan was to make dan talk, and fast. so they hit him with it heavy charge -- accessory to julie's murder after the fact. and then back at the station, he rolled over like a trained seal. dan everett monitored his interview. dan readily admitted to a crime. >> is alleging that he and his sam came up...
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donald trump are going to question our witnesses and their credibility from michael cohen to stormy daniels, we should be up to build a body of evidence out beyond this case that shows and questions donald trump's veracity of the statements he makes. >> catherine, let's talk a little bit about the jurors. we have 12 jurors. >>, i make one quick, can i make one correction ? it is not to let the defendant know kind of questioning, it is to let the defendant know what prior bad acts they will ask about. the other questions, he's going to be surprised about. anything about, you know, prior judgments or prior bad acts, he has to be made aware of that. sorry. >> they do not have to disclose things that are not about his prior bad acts, they can do with any line of questioning they want but if they talk about tiger things that have happened to donald trump or he has done, then he has to know about that. >> exactly. >> thank you for that clarification. let's talk about 12 jurors, 6 alternates, the maximum number of alternates. typically speaking, a case doesn't run out of jurors and alternates but
donald trump are going to question our witnesses and their credibility from michael cohen to stormy daniels, we should be up to build a body of evidence out beyond this case that shows and questions donald trump's veracity of the statements he makes. >> catherine, let's talk a little bit about the jurors. we have 12 jurors. >>, i make one quick, can i make one correction ? it is not to let the defendant know kind of questioning, it is to let the defendant know what prior bad acts...
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they said, they're going to question the credibility from clinton to stormy daniels. we shall question the voracity of statements that donald trump makes. >> can i make one correction. it's not to let the defendant know the line of questioning it's to let the defendant what prior bad acts they're going ask ask him about. the other questions he's going to be surprised about. but prior judgments or prior bad acts he needs to be made aware of that. >> they do not have to disclose things that are not about his prior bad acts. they can go with the line of questioning, but that he is done, they have to know about that. >> exactly. >> 12 years, 6 alternates. typically speaking a case does not guilty run out of jurors and alternates. as the pressure continues to be on these jurors and on their identitys become known, either because the media doesn't handled this well or for whatever reason, is there any concern that some full complement of jurors doesn't make it to this round of the trial? >> definitely, that's why the judge allowed the ultimate amount of alternates in the ca
they said, they're going to question the credibility from clinton to stormy daniels. we shall question the voracity of statements that donald trump makes. >> can i make one correction. it's not to let the defendant know the line of questioning it's to let the defendant what prior bad acts they're going ask ask him about. the other questions he's going to be surprised about. but prior judgments or prior bad acts he needs to be made aware of that. >> they do not have to disclose...
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>> stormy daniels. you know, this is a woman who trump mocked, denied he had ever dealt with and people have whatever they can say about their line of work, but she has a story and now she gets her day in court. >> she is fierce and fabulous. i can't wait to hear her testify. liz, who do you think won the week? >> well, and this reproductive health skate where we are denying any sort of access to reproductive care, the rats of new york city are getting a delicious contraceptive. we can't get any contraceptive but the rats are getting a savory birth-control and i think if you talk to any woman somebody said you can have putin that is birth control, we would be very excited. >> how do rats have more rights than women in america? what is this hell skate? i want to acknowledge the nas.30th anniversary of this university gymnast who won the 2020 gymnastics collegiate championship, organ price, you go, girl. morgan price won the week. thank you very much. all in with chris hayes starts now.
>> stormy daniels. you know, this is a woman who trump mocked, denied he had ever dealt with and people have whatever they can say about their line of work, but she has a story and now she gets her day in court. >> she is fierce and fabulous. i can't wait to hear her testify. liz, who do you think won the week? >> well, and this reproductive health skate where we are denying any sort of access to reproductive care, the rats of new york city are getting a delicious...
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the man in this room, made these hush money payments and they could prove that, and he paid to stormy daniels and then he falsified business records intentionally and knowingly, not that something got written down wrong, but this defendant, he did it. and did he it for a reason. and they're going to say, something along the lines of, and i know this because i read the indictment and i know a good opening statement will say that he did it to lie to you. to orchestrate a scheme to influence the 2016 presidential election, that means every voter in america including the new york voters who are jurors, to purchase this negative information and then to very specific mischaracterize that for other crimes, taxes, campaign finance, designed to hide the true nature of the payments and if this is anything like other financial payments you might hear prosecutors say things like you wouldn't get away with this. you might have just filed your taxes recently, you might worry about those kind of things. and even if you make an honest mistake on your taxes you have to go back and admit it and fix it and pay
the man in this room, made these hush money payments and they could prove that, and he paid to stormy daniels and then he falsified business records intentionally and knowingly, not that something got written down wrong, but this defendant, he did it. and did he it for a reason. and they're going to say, something along the lines of, and i know this because i read the indictment and i know a good opening statement will say that he did it to lie to you. to orchestrate a scheme to influence the...