WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:22.240 What I remember most clearly, or two things I remember really clearly, are dying, the 00:22.240 --> 00:31.080 way I was killed, which was absolutely marvellous. I was shot with a bullet that had poison in 00:31.080 --> 00:39.760 it that made me age. So the first shot was me looking a little bit older and then trying 00:39.760 --> 00:45.280 to run away from my pursuers and getting a bit older and each time I had to go back to 00:45.280 --> 00:51.080 make up and they were putting more and more lines on. Pity they didn't wait until today. 00:51.080 --> 00:58.480 And then finally I was so old that they cast a really old woman who was lying in a crumpled 00:58.480 --> 01:03.840 heap on the floor. That was the last shot and I looked at her and thought, I have no 01:03.840 --> 01:07.880 intention of looking like you when I'm dead, or when I'm old. 01:07.880 --> 01:13.640 Dalek Masterplan was the only story in which you featured as the character Sarah Kingdom. 01:13.640 --> 01:18.080 Although Sarah only appeared in one story, she is still considered to be one of the Doctor's 01:18.080 --> 01:23.440 regular travelling companions. Why do you think after all these years there's such 01:23.440 --> 01:29.320 a strong interest in a character that only appeared in one story? 01:29.320 --> 01:39.260 I think, if anything, interest in Doctor Who grew and grew and grew. And I think today, 01:39.260 --> 01:44.840 in a way, people are more interested in it than they were when it was on all the time. 01:44.840 --> 01:54.400 And then I think that that particular one, I don't know why, went to people's hearts. 01:54.400 --> 02:03.320 They really liked that very much. But I think the Daleks were always the absolute favourites. 02:03.320 --> 02:09.640 Although my favourite of doing it, because I did, first of all I played the Princess 02:09.640 --> 02:17.120 of France in just one episode, and then I did ten episodes of Sarah Kingdom, and then 02:17.120 --> 02:22.360 the last time I did it I played the first four episodes in the last season, and that 02:22.360 --> 02:26.760 was called Battlefield. And that was my favourite for doing. I thought that was well written 02:26.760 --> 02:30.080 and well directed and very, very good actors. 02:30.080 --> 02:35.800 We recently met Julian Glover, who was recalling the time he worked with you on the Crusade. 02:35.800 --> 02:40.040 He was explaining how elaborate the sets and costumes were for that story. Have you got 02:40.040 --> 02:42.480 any specific memories about the Crusade? 02:42.480 --> 02:49.800 Yes. I never see the sets because I'm short-sighted, but I remember my costume was very sumptuous, 02:49.800 --> 02:56.120 very beautiful and trimmed with fur. I guess that was right because I was playing a princess. 02:56.120 --> 03:03.720 Yes, it was. It wasn't always very good, the sets. I got into trouble when I was playing 03:03.720 --> 03:13.280 Sarah Kingdom because at one point I wore this tight-fitting brown tweedy catsuit. I 03:13.280 --> 03:17.600 don't know why one would wear that in the future, but still that's what I was wearing. 03:17.600 --> 03:24.360 And I had strapped round my waist a sort of box that looked like a gas mask case, and 03:24.360 --> 03:29.640 it was supposed to contain my ray gun. But of course it never did, and I used to keep 03:29.640 --> 03:36.520 a sandwich and my keys in it, my dressing room keys. I remember once I had a tomato 03:36.520 --> 03:43.120 sandwich in there, and I wasn't supposed to open it. And the director said, now first 03:43.120 --> 03:49.280 of all you switch the TARDIS on, and then you get your ray gun out. And I said, I've 03:49.280 --> 03:53.680 got a ray gun. He said, well just feel for it. So first of all I switched the TARDIS 03:53.680 --> 03:59.120 on and the knob came off in my hand, and I started laughing. I controlled myself. And 03:59.120 --> 04:04.960 then he said, all right, action. So I pretended to switch the TARDIS on. And then I pretended 04:04.960 --> 04:12.680 and put my hand in my sort of little gas mask case, and my fingers squished into a tomato 04:12.680 --> 04:17.840 sandwich. And I came out with my hands all sticky and dripping with tomato. And I started 04:17.840 --> 04:24.880 laughing again. I couldn't stop laughing. And I was sent off the set. The producer said, 04:24.880 --> 04:28.840 go to your dressing room and don't come back until you've pulled yourself together. And 04:28.840 --> 04:33.520 I said, well that may be a very long time. Tee hee hee. I was far too old to behave like 04:33.520 --> 04:39.680 that. Episode seven of The Dalek Masterplan was transmitted on Christmas Day 1965. There's 04:39.680 --> 04:44.440 some mixed stories about the end of the episode in which William Hartnell gives his Christmas 04:44.440 --> 04:49.240 greeting to the camera. Have you got any memories of this at all? I don't think I have real 04:49.240 --> 04:56.880 memories because I've been told about it so much. Something happened that was a surprise, 04:56.880 --> 05:03.280 I think. But I can't remember because for a long time I didn't think about it. I didn't 05:03.280 --> 05:08.080 know that Doctor Who was going to be a great cult thing and that I would be interviewed. 05:08.080 --> 05:13.600 And then I've been told so many stories about it that I don't know what my memory is. I'm 05:13.600 --> 05:18.720 so, no, I'm sorry. And what about Kevin Stoney, who was one of the guest stars on The Dalek 05:18.720 --> 05:26.000 Masterplan? Have you got any memories of working with Kevin Stoney? No, I don't have any memories. 05:26.000 --> 05:33.560 I've got a very good memory for lines, but because when I work I don't wear my glasses. 05:33.560 --> 05:39.880 And that was such a long time ago. I remember Julian because Julian was married to my best 05:39.880 --> 05:44.000 friend, Eileen Atkins, who's still my best friend, but they're not married anymore. Yes, 05:44.000 --> 05:48.600 you said that at the time that you were friends with his wife. Yeah, yeah. After filming The 05:48.600 --> 05:53.920 Dalek Masterplan, if you'd been asked by the Doctor Who production crew to stay on and 05:53.920 --> 05:58.960 play Sarah Kingdom as a regular companion, would you have accepted? No, no, definitely 05:58.960 --> 06:05.360 not because I liked Sarah Kingdom and that was fun, but I was a bit too young really 06:05.360 --> 06:13.040 to do a television series. It's incredibly trapping. It's very hard to do anything else. 06:13.040 --> 06:17.220 And we're so lucky actors, you know, that we move around and we're always doing different 06:17.220 --> 06:24.560 things that to do a series is a bit like having a job in a bank. You know, you always know 06:24.560 --> 06:30.720 where you are. So the only time I ever did a long television series was Upstairs Downstairs 06:30.720 --> 06:37.220 and I did that because the original story was my idea. Your last Doctor Who appearance 06:37.220 --> 06:42.160 was with Sylvester McCoy in Battlefield. Why do you rate that as your favourite story? 06:42.160 --> 06:47.740 I just thought it was very well written and I could be a rounded character. Morgan LeFay 06:47.740 --> 06:56.980 was evil but the director allowed me to show why she was evil and that there's no such 06:56.980 --> 07:02.280 thing as a totally evil person. That's why you never guess who criminals are because 07:02.280 --> 07:08.300 they've got the white, the kind side to them. So I thought I enjoyed that enormously and 07:08.300 --> 07:16.300 I really did think that Angela, who was in it, was very good. I thought the actors were 07:16.300 --> 07:22.500 very good and the director was helpful. Just one of those things, you know, it worked. 07:22.500 --> 07:25.820 And if the series was still running, would you come back as a guest star? 07:25.820 --> 07:30.980 Yeah, sure. If I liked it, yeah. I like to do all sorts of things. I know some people 07:30.980 --> 07:36.860 only want to do Shakespeare or posh things but I think that's a bit pompous. No, of course 07:36.860 --> 07:39.500 I would. That's lovely. Thank you very much for your 07:39.500 --> 08:09.460 time. My pleasure.