WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:04.000 Garlic's not cut and destroyed! 00:04.000 --> 00:07.000 Garlic's not cut and destroyed! 00:07.000 --> 00:10.000 Garlic's not cut and destroyed! 00:12.000 --> 00:17.000 Everybody tried to examine what it was about these things, 00:17.000 --> 00:23.000 these sort of mobile pepper pots, which appealed to the audience. 00:23.000 --> 00:26.000 And, of course, you can't dissect that. 00:26.000 --> 00:29.000 If you could, you'd be right every time. 00:29.000 --> 00:33.000 I think it was a combination of the voice, the language they used, 00:33.000 --> 00:35.000 the way they moved. 00:35.000 --> 00:40.000 They were sort of vaguely comic as well as being frightening. 00:40.000 --> 00:47.000 I think it's a combination of the shape and the voice, really. 00:49.000 --> 00:51.000 Exterminate, exterminate. 00:54.000 --> 00:56.000 Garlic design! 00:56.000 --> 00:59.000 If you think about the way the Daleks look, 00:59.000 --> 01:03.000 I mean, the designer, Raymond Cusick, did the most fantastic job. 01:03.000 --> 01:07.000 Mervyn Pinfield, who was Verity's assistant producer, 01:07.000 --> 01:11.000 suggested that I got cardboard tubes. 01:11.000 --> 01:16.000 First of all, get a large cardboard tube for the body 01:16.000 --> 01:21.000 and then other cardboard tubes for the arms and legs 01:21.000 --> 01:23.000 and paint them all silver. 01:23.000 --> 01:25.000 And I said, 01:25.000 --> 01:30.000 well, I said no. 01:30.000 --> 01:33.000 The clearest thing about a Dyke which makes it look great 01:33.000 --> 01:35.000 is that it has no legs. 01:35.000 --> 01:39.000 It's the first monster, the only monster in Doctor Who really, 01:39.000 --> 01:43.000 which works, which in no way replicates the design of a human. 01:43.000 --> 01:46.000 But it makes it seem like it's a genuinely alien machine. 01:46.000 --> 01:49.000 We all went down to look at it at Shawcraft and we said, 01:49.000 --> 01:51.000 yes, well done, Ray, this is brilliant. 01:51.000 --> 01:54.000 You know, which were not expensive to make, 01:54.000 --> 01:57.000 but they looked as though they were sensory. 01:57.000 --> 02:01.000 They had that sort of mechanised what's-out-there feel. 02:01.000 --> 02:05.000 Within the Dalek, you kind of sum up what people thought the future would be, 02:05.000 --> 02:07.000 so you have domes and those kind of things. 02:07.000 --> 02:09.000 The first crack at an alien monster they do, 02:09.000 --> 02:11.000 they get the design of the Daleks. 02:11.000 --> 02:17.000 Quite a lot of the design decisions were born out of lack of budget. 02:17.000 --> 02:22.000 We used to beg, borrow, steal and use things in a way that perhaps 02:22.000 --> 02:25.000 were just not the way they normally were used, 02:25.000 --> 02:29.000 like the sink plungers, for example. 02:29.000 --> 02:34.000 The idea was to be very dynamic and show that it could suck anything, 02:34.000 --> 02:37.000 metal, cloth, human beings, 02:37.000 --> 02:41.000 actually pull them towards it by some magic grip. 02:41.000 --> 02:46.000 Well, we had an old lavatory cleaner down the end of it. 02:46.000 --> 02:50.000 That was all we could afford, but I was pleased with this. 02:50.000 --> 02:54.000 I think Ray had done a brilliant job, and I thought these worked very well. 02:54.000 --> 02:59.000 That head with the single eyestalk turns independently of the body, 02:59.000 --> 03:03.000 and I always love it when a Dalek trundles into a room 03:03.000 --> 03:06.000 and it's facing one way and that head just swings round. 03:06.000 --> 03:13.000 And it's sort of a collision of kitchen utensils and household items 03:13.000 --> 03:16.000 and something that looks like it might be able to kill you. 03:16.000 --> 03:20.000 For whatever reason, all the decisions made at the time 03:20.000 --> 03:23.000 turned it into an absolute 60s design classic. 03:23.000 --> 03:27.000 And I remember going down to the producers' run on that particular Thursday, 03:27.000 --> 03:31.000 that first one, and everybody wanted to get in them, including me. 03:31.000 --> 03:35.000 We all wanted... So I just thought, there's something happening here. 03:38.000 --> 03:40.000 TV action! 03:40.000 --> 03:45.000 I suppose it's a question of when they're moving well and when they're lit well. 03:45.000 --> 03:48.000 The problem with photographing the Daleks 03:48.000 --> 03:51.000 was that you had to come in low or go in high. 03:51.000 --> 03:54.000 They themselves are fairly immobile, 03:54.000 --> 03:58.000 these tiny people pushing on golden-glow casters, 03:58.000 --> 04:02.000 and you had to be there or there or swinging round them 04:02.000 --> 04:07.000 to give them a sort of dynamic that they themselves did not possess. 04:07.000 --> 04:10.000 And with the ordinary image-authoring camera, 04:10.000 --> 04:13.000 if you tilted it at more than 30 degrees, 04:13.000 --> 04:17.000 the stuff at the back of the tube fell onto the lens 04:17.000 --> 04:22.000 and you'd have to re-tube them and you'd have cost vast sums of money. 04:22.000 --> 04:25.000 But I was determined to make it look as exciting as possible. 04:25.000 --> 04:29.000 They weren't actually that manoeuvrable, 04:29.000 --> 04:34.000 so they couldn't go terribly fast and they couldn't whip round very fast. 04:34.000 --> 04:38.000 They're completely impractical and they're still scary. 04:40.000 --> 04:42.000 They were the Daleks' master plan. 04:42.000 --> 04:47.000 They had them going through the jungle and they had all their flamethrowers on. 04:47.000 --> 04:50.000 I don't think I've ever seen a Dalek look quite so beautiful. 04:50.000 --> 04:54.000 I think that that 60s design in that wonderful black-and-white setting, 04:54.000 --> 04:56.000 they looked like nothing on earth. 04:56.000 --> 04:59.000 They are genuinely astonishing creations there. 04:59.000 --> 05:03.000 Best for me is the way they looked in Genesis of the Daleks. 05:03.000 --> 05:06.000 I love the colour schemes, which practically isn't a colour scheme. 05:06.000 --> 05:08.000 They're practically monochrome. 05:08.000 --> 05:10.000 But they did look rather impressive 05:10.000 --> 05:13.000 as a silhouette with little details picked out in light. 05:13.000 --> 05:17.000 And worst has to be the decision to show the Daleks 05:17.000 --> 05:22.000 hobbling across the top of the sand dunes in Destiny of the Daleks. 05:22.000 --> 05:25.000 Every little jiggle and movement. 05:25.000 --> 05:28.000 They probably made them from lightweight fibreglass 05:28.000 --> 05:30.000 so the actors could walk them through an area 05:30.000 --> 05:32.000 where they wouldn't be able to glide. 05:32.000 --> 05:35.000 And they looked pretty ratty at that point. 05:35.000 --> 05:38.000 They'd been stored fairly poorly. 05:38.000 --> 05:42.000 I think they might have even had bits of sellotape holding things on. 05:42.000 --> 05:45.000 I remember seeing sort of flaky bits on the side of them 05:45.000 --> 05:47.000 and bits of the spheres missing, 05:47.000 --> 05:50.000 and so I think that was a low point, really. 05:50.000 --> 05:53.000 80s Dalek colour schemes are an odd one. 05:53.000 --> 05:59.000 In that cream and gold does seem an odd choice for Dalek livery. 05:59.000 --> 06:03.000 I know that they do sort of conjure up an Imperial feel, 06:03.000 --> 06:06.000 but more of a mint Imperial feel. 06:06.000 --> 06:10.000 In their final classic appearance in Remembrance of the Daleks, 06:10.000 --> 06:13.000 I think they'd really got the weight down 06:13.000 --> 06:16.000 and they look really solid. 06:18.000 --> 06:20.000 We jealous us! 06:20.000 --> 06:22.000 When there was talk back in the 90s of, 06:22.000 --> 06:26.000 oh, they're going to come back as spider Daleks or aqua Daleks, 06:26.000 --> 06:30.000 why muck with it? I think it will still stand up really, really well. 06:30.000 --> 06:34.000 And what's been delightful is that there's an entire generation 06:34.000 --> 06:36.000 of ten-year-olds who love them, 06:36.000 --> 06:40.000 which means that that decision to keep them as they looked in the 1960s 06:40.000 --> 06:42.000 was absolutely the right decision. 06:42.000 --> 06:45.000 Russell always said, we're going to be doing a Dalek 06:45.000 --> 06:47.000 and you have to keep all the elements 06:47.000 --> 06:50.000 because otherwise you may as well do something else. 06:50.000 --> 06:53.000 One of the first things Russell said to us was, 06:53.000 --> 06:57.000 you need to make this the most Dalek-y Dalek that's ever been seen. 06:57.000 --> 06:59.000 Find all the bits that you like, 06:59.000 --> 07:04.000 whether they be from the film, the TV series, the comic strips, the books, 07:04.000 --> 07:09.000 whatever you find that you think has worked, put them on the new Dalek. 07:09.000 --> 07:11.000 I was very keen to do a claw at some point 07:11.000 --> 07:14.000 because I really loved the claws that they have in the movie Dalek. 07:14.000 --> 07:18.000 It's a real mishmash of everyone's favourite bits of the Dalek. 07:18.000 --> 07:21.000 The most difficult thing about redesigning them 07:21.000 --> 07:23.000 was looking at the textures we applied, 07:23.000 --> 07:26.000 so it looked like a proper metal tank 07:26.000 --> 07:30.000 as opposed to something that was made in the prop shop. 07:30.000 --> 07:33.000 One of the things Russell was very keen on from the word go 07:33.000 --> 07:37.000 was he said they need to look like they're made out of copper and bronze. 07:37.000 --> 07:39.000 Copper and bronze, always kept saying. 07:39.000 --> 07:42.000 Copper and bronze, they need to look solid, they need to look heavy, 07:42.000 --> 07:44.000 they need to look like they have been machined. 07:44.000 --> 07:47.000 There were lots of surfaces on the original design 07:47.000 --> 07:49.000 that didn't really have much going on, 07:49.000 --> 07:52.000 so we went and added things like shut lines and rivets 07:52.000 --> 07:55.000 and the kind of things you'd find on machinery. 07:55.000 --> 07:58.000 It's a complete collaboration in terms of 07:58.000 --> 08:01.000 no-one knows a Dalek better than Mike Tucker. 08:01.000 --> 08:04.000 I was building these when I was 10 years old 08:04.000 --> 08:06.000 out of cardboard and ping-pong balls. 08:06.000 --> 08:10.000 It was sound because we hadn't altered anything, 08:10.000 --> 08:15.000 so we're really standing on the shoulders of giants in terms of what we did. 08:15.000 --> 08:19.000 The first time I saw the Dalek I'd worked on, 08:19.000 --> 08:21.000 my first reaction was to run. 08:21.000 --> 08:25.000 And then I kind of grew up and I was just immensely proud 08:25.000 --> 08:29.000 to have worked on something which I've loved all my life 08:29.000 --> 08:32.000 and it's such a huge part of everybody's childhood. 08:34.000 --> 08:36.000 The Dalek voice. 08:36.000 --> 08:39.000 The voices were always brilliant. 08:39.000 --> 08:42.000 It doesn't look like it could be living, 08:42.000 --> 08:46.000 and then this really horrible voice comes out of it 08:46.000 --> 08:48.000 and you suddenly think, oh, my goodness. 08:48.000 --> 08:52.000 Where are the time travellers? 08:52.000 --> 08:55.000 It is something that anyone can copy. 08:55.000 --> 08:58.000 The little kids were going around with their arms stuck out going, 08:58.000 --> 09:00.000 Exterminate, exterminate! 09:00.000 --> 09:03.000 The Daleks sound like petulant, panicky children. 09:03.000 --> 09:05.000 Embark at once! 09:05.000 --> 09:07.000 Yes, embark! 09:07.000 --> 09:10.000 The Daleks almost feel like they're pretending they have no emotion. 09:10.000 --> 09:13.000 These are robots, if they are robots at all, 09:13.000 --> 09:16.000 sometimes it feels like they are on the verge of a nervous breakdown. 09:16.000 --> 09:19.000 These humanoid, ex-humanoid type, 09:19.000 --> 09:22.000 who were in a panic because they were in a shell. 09:22.000 --> 09:25.000 You've got that wonderful Peter Hawkins, high-pitched Dalek voice 09:25.000 --> 09:28.000 that goes up and up and up, and you always feel that in some ways 09:28.000 --> 09:30.000 that they're just on the verge of losing it. 09:30.000 --> 09:34.000 And I think to a certain extent everyone else has impersonated him. 09:34.000 --> 09:38.000 David Graham did a fantastic job adding that sort of creepiness 09:38.000 --> 09:43.000 and, I don't know, just slightly weirdness about that sort of way. 09:43.000 --> 09:47.000 You know, it was, I don't know, it was dangerous and kind of like, 09:47.000 --> 09:49.000 this Dalek's mad. 09:49.000 --> 09:51.000 Why have I not been informed of this? 09:51.000 --> 09:54.000 I know that Peter Hawkins had established, like, the Dalek Supreme, 09:54.000 --> 09:57.000 Had this maniacal really high voice. 09:57.000 --> 09:59.000 Which is quite painful to do. 09:59.000 --> 10:02.000 For dynamics and for creativity, 10:02.000 --> 10:07.000 we had to rely on trying to make these differences 10:07.000 --> 10:10.000 between the Daleks, the stupid Dalek, the fearful Dalek. 10:10.000 --> 10:17.000 They were all fearful, but some had a sort of Nazi edge to them. 10:17.000 --> 10:21.000 And this thing of obeying, and some didn't want to obey. 10:21.000 --> 10:25.000 There's the Dalek in The Chase that is given all these instructions, 10:25.000 --> 10:28.000 isn't it, you know, and the Dalek commander's saying, 10:28.000 --> 10:32.000 I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that, and he's going, yes, yes, yes. 10:32.000 --> 10:35.000 And then he doesn't go and do it, and the Dalek commander says, 10:35.000 --> 10:38.000 I'm going to do it, you can't say to it. 10:38.000 --> 10:41.000 Oh, yes, I forgot, I forgot, I was just saying yes a lot. 10:41.000 --> 10:44.000 When you go back to some of the Hartnell stories, 10:44.000 --> 10:48.000 you are aware that the first Dalek voices sound very strange indeed. 10:48.000 --> 10:51.000 You see, what we forget now, we think that the Dalek voice 10:51.000 --> 10:55.000 is a particular thing, and it should sound a particular way, 10:55.000 --> 10:58.000 and really, you know, it wasn't in those days. 10:58.000 --> 11:01.000 We are the masters of earth! 11:01.000 --> 11:03.000 We are the masters of earth! 11:03.000 --> 11:07.000 The way they've switched off the ring modulator or the mix of it is very low, 11:07.000 --> 11:10.000 so what you've got is that, we are the masters of earth, 11:10.000 --> 11:14.000 which would probably sound a lot better if it had a bit of ring modulation on it. 11:14.000 --> 11:16.000 We are the masters of earth! 11:16.000 --> 11:19.000 We are the masters of earth! 11:19.000 --> 11:23.000 There is a Dalek that sounds proper in Dalek Invasion of Earth, 11:23.000 --> 11:27.000 and when it's the point of view of the Dalek, when it's overheating, 11:27.000 --> 11:30.000 when they've done something to it, it's going... 11:30.000 --> 11:33.000 It's like you're inside the Dalek. 11:33.000 --> 11:36.000 We'll exterminate them at zero rate! 11:36.000 --> 11:39.000 Exterminate them! 11:39.000 --> 11:41.000 The day of the Daleks, yes. 11:41.000 --> 11:45.000 Whoever is operating the time machine 11:45.000 --> 11:48.000 is an enemy of the Daleks. 11:48.000 --> 11:53.000 Whoever is operating the time machine is an enemy of the Daleks. 11:53.000 --> 11:55.000 It's terrible, isn't it? 11:55.000 --> 11:59.000 The actors doing it sort of almost believe that if they talk into the right machine, 11:59.000 --> 12:03.000 like Darkse, that makes them feel strangely undynamic. 12:03.000 --> 12:07.000 Oh yes, they are things that speak like that. It was a bit like that, wasn't it? 12:07.000 --> 12:10.000 They might have said, looking round for a bit of advice, 12:10.000 --> 12:12.000 and everyone going, probably. 12:12.000 --> 12:17.000 Whoever is operating the time machine 12:17.000 --> 12:21.000 is an enemy of the Daleks. 12:21.000 --> 12:27.000 All enemies of the Daleks must be destroyed. 12:27.000 --> 12:29.000 Exterminate them! 12:29.000 --> 12:31.000 Exterminate them! 12:31.000 --> 12:33.000 Exterminate them! 12:33.000 --> 12:36.000 Exterminate them! 12:36.000 --> 12:40.000 You are the Doctor! 12:40.000 --> 12:43.000 You are an enemy of the Daleks! 12:43.000 --> 12:45.000 Now you are in our power! 12:45.000 --> 12:47.000 You will be exterminated! 12:47.000 --> 12:49.000 You will be exterminated! 12:49.000 --> 12:52.000 You will be exterminated! 12:52.000 --> 12:55.000 If you get the Dalek voice right, it sells so much. 12:55.000 --> 12:58.000 I was talking to Dick Mills, who worked for the Radiophonic Workshop, 12:58.000 --> 13:02.000 and I was asking him all these stupid fan-ish questions 13:02.000 --> 13:05.000 about the Dalek voices in different stories, 13:05.000 --> 13:07.000 and why they were slightly different, 13:07.000 --> 13:09.000 and, hmm, that's an interesting choice for that one, 13:09.000 --> 13:12.000 and he said, oh, we never wrote it down. 13:12.000 --> 13:14.000 We never wrote the setting down. 13:14.000 --> 13:15.000 I was appalled. 13:15.000 --> 13:17.000 Unimportant. 13:17.000 --> 13:20.000 And it is quite amazing, the effect that a slightly different setting 13:20.000 --> 13:25.000 on the ring modulator has, honestly. 13:25.000 --> 13:27.000 The words of the Daleks! 13:27.000 --> 13:30.000 Dalek dialogue is a hard thing to judge 13:30.000 --> 13:34.000 because it works most of the time by not being very dynamic. 13:34.000 --> 13:38.000 What you saw is what you got, and they were very straightforward. 13:38.000 --> 13:40.000 I mean, not a very wide vocabulary, 13:40.000 --> 13:43.000 of which the word mostly used was exterminate. 13:43.000 --> 13:47.000 And then you put something in which sets people's teeth on edge. 13:47.000 --> 13:49.000 Kill him! 13:49.000 --> 13:53.000 I think the best bit of Dalek dialogue I've ever heard is Power of the Daleks. 13:53.000 --> 13:58.000 Why do human beings kill human beings? 13:58.000 --> 14:00.000 The Daleks are going to wipe them all out, 14:00.000 --> 14:02.000 at least are true to what Daleks are. 14:02.000 --> 14:05.000 And that thing when they say, I am your servant, 14:05.000 --> 14:09.000 and they talk over the Doctor when he's trying to tell people 14:09.000 --> 14:11.000 that they're nasty, and they're just going, 14:11.000 --> 14:14.000 yes, I'm really nice, oh, yes, I... 14:14.000 --> 14:18.000 That's very disturbing, that the Dalek would be that cunning. 14:18.000 --> 14:19.000 No-one believes it. 14:19.000 --> 14:23.000 They think the Daleks will do the vacuuming for them and the shopping. 14:23.000 --> 14:26.000 They'll secretly poison the orange juice. 14:26.000 --> 14:30.000 We're so used to the fact that most of what Daleks say is so functional 14:30.000 --> 14:32.000 that when they leap out from that, it sounds terrific. 14:32.000 --> 14:36.000 The chase is extraordinary because it's got a comedy relief Dalek in it, 14:36.000 --> 14:40.000 and the first time I saw it, I couldn't quite believe it. 14:43.000 --> 14:46.000 I quite like it when the Daleks say unusual things. 14:46.000 --> 14:49.000 It's something that Russell T Davies spoke to me about before Dalek. 14:49.000 --> 14:54.000 He said the thing he was keen on was the burning intelligence of the Dalek. 14:54.000 --> 14:58.000 And to always feel that, as well as all the killing, 14:58.000 --> 15:02.000 as well as all the ranting, it's in there and it's thinking things over. 15:02.000 --> 15:05.000 The Daleks and the Sewers from The Hell In Rain are two parters 15:05.000 --> 15:09.000 set in Manhattan, where one of them sort of looks over his shoulder 15:09.000 --> 15:11.000 to make sure they're not being watched, 15:11.000 --> 15:15.000 and it's the two Daleks having a private conversation 15:15.000 --> 15:18.000 about their boss. I thought that was inspired. 15:18.000 --> 15:22.000 And that's another one of those moments when they, you know, say, 15:22.000 --> 15:26.000 oh, yeah, by the way, we have been thinking about this. 15:26.000 --> 15:30.000 The hardest thing, seriously, about writing for a Dalek was my fear 15:30.000 --> 15:33.000 that after all these years of them being off screen, 15:33.000 --> 15:38.000 that there would be no reason why a child watching the show in 2005 15:38.000 --> 15:41.000 would find them in themselves very impressive. 15:41.000 --> 15:42.000 Sorry about that. 15:42.000 --> 15:45.000 And it was trying to get that Dalek dialogue right, 15:45.000 --> 15:48.000 that you had all the exterminates, but also felt that there was 15:48.000 --> 15:50.000 actually a genuine, cunning creature inside. 15:50.000 --> 15:53.000 My favourite Dalek line of all, I suppose, 15:53.000 --> 15:57.000 and it's a little bit egotistical of me because I said it was... 15:57.000 --> 16:00.000 You would make a good Dalek. 16:00.000 --> 16:03.000 Rather than, oh, I'm confused by such orders, should I blow myself up? 16:03.000 --> 16:06.000 I do not know. At that point he just sort of goes, 16:06.000 --> 16:08.000 yeah, you're actually just like me, aren't you? 16:08.000 --> 16:11.000 You know, which is just the worst thing that can be said to you 16:11.000 --> 16:13.000 by someone you hate. 16:13.000 --> 16:16.000 My favourite scene in that, and also the way that Nick Briggs does it, 16:16.000 --> 16:19.000 is the scene where he talks to Rose, 16:19.000 --> 16:22.000 and he doesn't do the Dalek staccato. 16:22.000 --> 16:26.000 He talks like a creature, he talks like a human being 16:26.000 --> 16:31.000 inside a Dalek case, saying that he's in pain and wants some comfort. 16:31.000 --> 16:34.000 Don't you fear me? 16:34.000 --> 16:36.000 And it's quite startling. 16:36.000 --> 16:40.000 I think particularly if you only know Daleks at all, 16:40.000 --> 16:43.000 to suddenly hear a Dalek which sounds like it isn't one at all. 16:43.000 --> 16:46.000 Like it's all been a bit of a joke, that all this time, 16:46.000 --> 16:49.000 all these Daleks out there racing around and shooting people 16:49.000 --> 16:52.000 have been sort of acting up for each other, 16:52.000 --> 16:55.000 but deep down they actually can talk just like you and me. 16:55.000 --> 16:59.000 I felt, you know, that there's somewhere there was a... 16:59.000 --> 17:03.000 ..a moment when you could have almost felt sorry for a Dalek. 17:05.000 --> 17:07.000 Exterminate! 17:07.000 --> 17:10.000 The bizarre and interesting thing about the Dalek death ray, 17:10.000 --> 17:13.000 which is such a big thing about the Daleks exterminating people, 17:13.000 --> 17:15.000 you know, blasting them into oblivion, 17:15.000 --> 17:19.000 is that it didn't really exist tangibly until 1975. 17:19.000 --> 17:22.000 You know, what we actually got was, you know, 17:22.000 --> 17:25.000 a tube with some ribbons going...like that, you know, 17:25.000 --> 17:29.000 and then you cut to a shot of someone with a negative effect. 17:29.000 --> 17:31.000 And as a kid, I loved it. 17:31.000 --> 17:34.000 It meant that if you were drawing scenes of Daleks 17:34.000 --> 17:37.000 shooting little stick men, you could colour them in 17:37.000 --> 17:41.000 with all the wrong coloured felt tips and that's an exterminated person. 17:41.000 --> 17:43.000 You know, it's just a simple little video effect, 17:43.000 --> 17:45.000 but it's quite disturbing, really. 17:45.000 --> 17:48.000 I loved some of the deaths in The Dalek Invasion of Earth, 17:48.000 --> 17:51.000 outside the saucer there, where the Daleks went, 17:51.000 --> 17:53.000 kill him, instead of exterminate, 17:53.000 --> 17:57.000 because exterminate was really invented by the media. 17:57.000 --> 18:00.000 The Daleks did say exterminate right from the beginning, 18:00.000 --> 18:03.000 but they didn't really... You know, it wasn't a chant, 18:03.000 --> 18:04.000 it was a war cry. 18:04.000 --> 18:07.000 The most agonising thing ever is to be shot by a Dalek 18:07.000 --> 18:09.000 in Genesis of the Daleks. 18:10.000 --> 18:14.000 The actors were really encouraged to really look like 18:14.000 --> 18:16.000 it was a painful way to go. 18:16.000 --> 18:20.000 The death of Ronson in Episode 4, it is the best extermination ever. 18:20.000 --> 18:22.000 Exterminate! 18:22.000 --> 18:24.000 Exterminate! 18:24.000 --> 18:26.000 Exterminate! 18:26.000 --> 18:28.000 No! 18:28.000 --> 18:29.000 No! 18:29.000 --> 18:30.000 It goes black. 18:30.000 --> 18:33.000 The actor James Garber, he has his mouth open in a funny way. 18:33.000 --> 18:36.000 Instead of the darkness you usually see in someone's mouth, 18:36.000 --> 18:39.000 you just get this sort of horrible... this white, you know, and it's just... 18:39.000 --> 18:41.000 And all the other Carlyds watching around 18:41.000 --> 18:44.000 have to shield their eyes from the glare. 18:44.000 --> 18:46.000 It is quite ghastly. 18:46.000 --> 18:48.000 This one goes on forever. 18:48.000 --> 18:51.000 They keep on having to shoot him and he staggers around 18:51.000 --> 18:55.000 and there's this wonderful crack, crack, crack noise as he falls around. 18:55.000 --> 18:58.000 I wrote to Jim all Fix It, soon afterwards, seriously, 18:58.000 --> 19:02.000 asking whether I could be killed by a Dalek at one point on screen. 19:02.000 --> 19:04.000 Not in Doctor Who, I mean, anything. 19:04.000 --> 19:08.000 Jim will fix it. Casualty. Anything that would have had me on it. 19:08.000 --> 19:11.000 And they didn't write back, for which I'm still quite angry. 19:11.000 --> 19:14.000 My favourite was in Death To The Daleks, 19:14.000 --> 19:17.000 when suddenly they had machine guns. 19:17.000 --> 19:19.000 GUNSHOTS 19:19.000 --> 19:21.000 SCREAMING 19:21.000 --> 19:24.000 Primitive weapons moderately efficient. 19:24.000 --> 19:27.000 I can remember watching that as a kid and thinking, 19:27.000 --> 19:30.000 what a good idea, Daleks that actually shot bullets 19:30.000 --> 19:33.000 and they have a little TARDIS for target practice. 19:33.000 --> 19:35.000 Target model destroyed. 19:35.000 --> 19:38.000 Substitute weaponry functioning satisfactorily. 19:38.000 --> 19:41.000 Absolute moment of genius for me. 19:41.000 --> 19:44.000 In Destiny Of The Daleks, there's this interminable scene 19:44.000 --> 19:47.000 where they exterminate some extras who look about as bothered 19:47.000 --> 19:50.000 as being shot by a Dalek as they would about the idea 19:50.000 --> 19:52.000 that they might be missing Grandstand. 19:52.000 --> 19:56.000 The supporting artists being shot seem to be quite happy about it, 19:56.000 --> 20:00.000 smile and then look around for a comfy sofa to land on. 20:00.000 --> 20:03.000 They genuinely, after they get shot, sort of just sit down. 20:03.000 --> 20:05.000 Mmm, flop. 20:05.000 --> 20:07.000 It's a siesta gun, not a death ray. 20:07.000 --> 20:10.000 On the other side of the scale, you get some Dalek exterminations 20:10.000 --> 20:12.000 which are a bit overdone. 20:12.000 --> 20:15.000 So you get Del Hennie in Resurrection Of The Daleks 20:15.000 --> 20:18.000 as Colonel Archer being shot and doing a sort of strange disco dance 20:18.000 --> 20:20.000 as he goes down. 20:20.000 --> 20:22.000 HE MAKES DISCO DANCE NOISES 20:22.000 --> 20:25.000 He's really into that death. We can't take it very seriously. 20:25.000 --> 20:27.000 It's a bit too much fun. 20:27.000 --> 20:29.000 HE MAKES DISCO DANCE NOISES 20:31.000 --> 20:33.000 HE SCREAMS 20:36.000 --> 20:38.000 So, pair your beings! 20:38.000 --> 20:40.000 The Daleks were the first. 20:40.000 --> 20:42.000 I know that seems a very obvious point to make, 20:42.000 --> 20:46.000 but because they were the first, they became quickly the iconic ones. 20:46.000 --> 20:51.000 Every robot that's been done since is so deliberately trying 20:51.000 --> 20:55.000 to avoid being Dalek-y that, as a result, they always fail. 20:55.000 --> 20:57.000 What is it about these things? 20:57.000 --> 21:02.000 People now do align them with the sort of Hitler salute type thing, 21:02.000 --> 21:05.000 you know, with the arm going up, exterminate, you know. 21:05.000 --> 21:08.000 But it's just a composite of so many things. 21:08.000 --> 21:11.000 There is a total package of a fantastic idea, 21:11.000 --> 21:15.000 very clear, clearly portrayed. 21:15.000 --> 21:20.000 That fear, that mechanised quality 21:20.000 --> 21:25.000 makes the Daleks one of the great horror stories 21:25.000 --> 21:27.000 that children love to be frightened by. 21:27.000 --> 21:30.000 You know that they are bad. 21:30.000 --> 21:32.000 You know they will do terrible things. 21:32.000 --> 21:34.000 And that also inspires the Doctor to be... 21:34.000 --> 21:37.000 Because they're so bad, it inspires the Doctor to be more heroic, 21:37.000 --> 21:41.000 so it makes the good guy who we love even more lovable and admirable. 21:41.000 --> 21:44.000 But they are... It's the certainty of them. 21:44.000 --> 21:48.000 You can play around with the idea of what a Dalek story can represent. 21:48.000 --> 21:51.000 And because they are such, such iconic figures, 21:51.000 --> 21:54.000 they actually don't ever snap when you bend them. 21:54.000 --> 21:56.000 It's brilliant that way. 21:56.000 --> 21:59.000 There's something about these things which has an appeal. 21:59.000 --> 22:04.000 I mean, I couldn't... You know, I had no idea it was going to be that good 22:04.000 --> 22:07.000 or that people were going to respond in the way they did, 22:07.000 --> 22:09.000 but there was just something about them. 22:09.000 --> 22:12.000 It's an absolute icon, something which is going to go down, 22:12.000 --> 22:18.000 and it's going to be a part of film in history.