WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:07.000 🎵 00:07.000 --> 00:14.000 🎵 00:14.000 --> 00:21.000 🎵 00:21.000 --> 00:28.000 🎵 00:28.000 --> 00:35.000 🎵 00:35.000 --> 00:42.000 🎵 00:42.000 --> 00:49.000 🎵 00:49.000 --> 00:56.000 🎵 00:56.000 --> 01:03.000 🎵 01:03.000 --> 01:10.000 🎵 01:10.000 --> 01:17.000 🎵 01:17.000 --> 01:24.000 🎵 01:24.000 --> 01:31.000 🎵 01:31.000 --> 01:38.000 🎵 01:38.000 --> 01:45.000 🎵 01:45.000 --> 01:52.000 🎵 01:52.000 --> 01:59.000 🎵 01:59.000 --> 02:06.000 🎵 02:06.000 --> 02:08.000 🎵 02:08.000 --> 02:11.000 I'd like to say a few things about my memories 02:11.000 --> 02:16.000 of working on this particular story for Doctor Who. 02:16.000 --> 02:18.000 I was a very young man at the time, 02:18.000 --> 02:20.000 and it was a tremendous chance for me 02:20.000 --> 02:22.000 to play Richard the Lionheart, for goodness sake. 02:22.000 --> 02:26.000 And I was very young, and I was extraordinarily flattered 02:26.000 --> 02:28.000 to play someone who was such a great hero 02:28.000 --> 02:31.000 of the English nation and all that. 02:31.000 --> 02:34.000 I remember Douglas Canfield, I do remember getting the part. 02:34.000 --> 02:37.000 I was in the garden, whatever I was doing, I don't know. 02:37.000 --> 02:39.000 My wife came running out, 02:39.000 --> 02:42.000 Julian, Julian, Douglas Canfield's on, 02:42.000 --> 02:45.000 Douglas Canfield, yes, he wants you to do something on telly. 02:45.000 --> 02:47.000 Oh, good, great, thank you. 02:47.000 --> 02:49.000 And there was Douglas on the phone saying, 02:49.000 --> 02:51.000 would I play Richard the Lionheart? 02:51.000 --> 02:53.000 And I was thrilled to bits, and actually he asked me 02:53.000 --> 02:56.000 to play Richard the Lionheart again in the film of Ivanhoe, 02:56.000 --> 02:59.000 many, many years later when I was certainly not a young man, 02:59.000 --> 03:01.000 mmm, youngish. 03:01.000 --> 03:07.000 So Douglas and I were very close together on Richard's. 03:07.000 --> 03:10.000 I remember the garden, the corner of the garden, 03:10.000 --> 03:13.000 it was a tiny little garden we had in South London, 03:13.000 --> 03:15.000 the corner of the garden I was actually poking around in 03:15.000 --> 03:17.000 when Douglas rang. 03:17.000 --> 03:21.000 You know those memory things that happen to you. 03:21.000 --> 03:23.000 I can't remember the flowers that were there though, 03:23.000 --> 03:27.000 and all actually what I was doing, anyway. 03:27.000 --> 03:32.000 It was a very happy engagement, generally speaking, 03:32.000 --> 03:34.000 mostly because of the actors, 03:34.000 --> 03:36.000 some of whom I met for the first time 03:36.000 --> 03:38.000 and some not for the first time. 03:38.000 --> 03:42.000 And I remember being very impressed by the way 03:42.000 --> 03:44.000 the sets and costumes were arranged. 03:44.000 --> 03:48.000 At that time, Doctor Who, as we know, was in its early years, 03:48.000 --> 03:51.000 and they weren't spending too much on it, frankly. 03:51.000 --> 03:58.000 And they managed to construct really very, well I thought, 03:58.000 --> 04:02.000 interesting and persuasive sets, settings. 04:02.000 --> 04:05.000 And considering we did the whole thing in the studio, 04:05.000 --> 04:07.000 there was no location work, 04:07.000 --> 04:10.000 I think that really Douglas did awfully well 04:10.000 --> 04:12.000 in the design of the team and the costume people. 04:12.000 --> 04:16.000 We were very comfortable in our clothes, I remember. 04:16.000 --> 04:19.000 And the swords and things seemed to sort of work. 04:19.000 --> 04:23.000 Though I think from some of the pictures you might see 04:23.000 --> 04:26.000 we look a little bit gauche, but we didn't feel gauche at the time. 04:26.000 --> 04:29.000 I think it's probably a matter of the period and the time and all that. 04:29.000 --> 04:33.000 I suppose the reason I got the part was because of my history beforehand. 04:33.000 --> 04:36.000 I've done a lot of Shakespeare, I've done a great deal more since. 04:36.000 --> 04:40.000 But a very famous series, which some of you may remember, 04:40.000 --> 04:43.000 called An Age of Kings, which was Shakespeare's history plays 04:43.000 --> 04:46.000 through from Richard II through to Richard III. 04:46.000 --> 04:50.000 And I played a lot of parts in that, I was part of that repertory company. 04:50.000 --> 04:53.000 And I think that Douglas had seen a lot of that. 04:53.000 --> 04:57.000 And I played one particular king who was not unlike Edward IV, 04:57.000 --> 04:59.000 who was not unlike Richard I. 04:59.000 --> 05:02.000 So that was probably the key. 05:02.000 --> 05:06.000 Of course I had a false beard and all that, which was stuck on for me. 05:06.000 --> 05:08.000 Extraordinarily uncomfortable. 05:08.000 --> 05:12.000 And I did wear my signet ring, which was a good thing to do, 05:12.000 --> 05:15.000 my own signet ring, which was nice. 05:15.000 --> 05:22.000 The actors are the people really that I've continued to like very much. 05:22.000 --> 05:27.000 Maureen O'Brien became a very good friend through that series. 05:27.000 --> 05:31.000 We don't see each other very often, but when we do we delight in each other. 05:31.000 --> 05:35.000 And it's a very, very nice relationship. 05:35.000 --> 05:39.000 Jean Marsh, of course, I did know from beforehand. 05:39.000 --> 05:42.000 And we were simply delighted to play brother and sister in it. 05:42.000 --> 05:44.000 And it was a very interesting story. 05:44.000 --> 05:47.000 I remember we had to play down the possible incestuous side. 05:47.000 --> 05:51.000 We wanted to play that because it is very strongly held theory 05:51.000 --> 05:54.000 that there was an incestuous relationship between them. 05:54.000 --> 05:58.000 But it was at a time when television was a children's television, etc., etc. 05:58.000 --> 06:01.000 We couldn't do that. But we didn't mind. 06:01.000 --> 06:04.000 We played what we had. And she's remained a friend. 06:04.000 --> 06:07.000 She is now the best friend of my first wife, 06:07.000 --> 06:09.000 who was the one who called me from the garden, 06:09.000 --> 06:12.000 the actress Eileen Atkins, who I'm sure a lot of you will remember. 06:12.000 --> 06:15.000 And she works a lot in America now, Jean. 06:15.000 --> 06:18.000 We see each other quite often, and we're very friendly. 06:18.000 --> 06:21.000 There were other actors on that. 06:21.000 --> 06:25.000 Jacqueline, of course, Hill, we got very friendly at the time. 06:25.000 --> 06:29.000 But then she went and married Alvin Rakoff, the Canadian television director, 06:29.000 --> 06:31.000 and went off to live in Toronto, 06:31.000 --> 06:34.000 who I met, actually, about six years ago when I was out there making a movie, 06:34.000 --> 06:37.000 and we had a dinner, and that was jolly nice. 06:37.000 --> 06:43.000 Bernard Kaye, I didn't meet again until a Stratford season 06:43.000 --> 06:49.000 with the Royal Shakespeare Company at Stratford in 1992, 1996, was it? 06:49.000 --> 06:51.000 I can't remember. 06:51.000 --> 06:55.000 We were both in the same company when I was playing Henry IV, 06:55.000 --> 06:59.000 and he was playing Glendower, the wild Welsh wizard. 06:59.000 --> 07:05.000 And actually he went on to take over another part that I'd done 07:05.000 --> 07:10.000 in An Inspector Calls, which is a very successful production of that priestly play, 07:10.000 --> 07:12.000 which is still on in London now. 07:12.000 --> 07:14.000 I think actually Bernard at the moment is playing it, 07:14.000 --> 07:20.000 though the time span for the purposes of this interview is not interesting, is it? 07:20.000 --> 07:23.000 We're talking in the year 2000. 07:23.000 --> 07:27.000 And he's remained a very nice acquaintance. 07:27.000 --> 07:32.000 Tony Cawnter I also have worked with several times since then, 07:32.000 --> 07:36.000 and he's most memorable as one of the most amusing men I've ever met in my life. 07:36.000 --> 07:39.000 Also, he's an absolutely screaming film buff. 07:39.000 --> 07:41.000 He knows everything about movies. 07:41.000 --> 07:44.000 I mean, he would make light of this conversation I'm having with you now, 07:44.000 --> 07:48.000 because he would fill in on everything, the cameraman, the lighting person, 07:48.000 --> 07:52.000 and that costume person, and all the other actors and people who I couldn't remember, 07:52.000 --> 07:54.000 he would fill in. 07:54.000 --> 07:56.000 So Tony Cawnter is a very happy memory. 07:56.000 --> 08:01.000 Walter Randall, very wild, 08:01.000 --> 08:06.000 and he used to run a nightclub in London, I remember, down in Chelsea. 08:06.000 --> 08:08.000 And we used to go down there and have tremendously good times, 08:08.000 --> 08:13.000 because the drinks were cheap when Walter let us have them. 08:13.000 --> 08:15.000 So we enjoyed that very much. 08:15.000 --> 08:18.000 It was a very happy time. 08:18.000 --> 08:25.000 Bill Hartnell, of course, you'll all be wanting to know about Bill, was a tricky chap. 08:25.000 --> 08:28.000 He was, as we know, the founder member of Doctor Who. 08:28.000 --> 08:37.000 He created Doctor Who, and some will say remains the best presentation, 08:37.000 --> 08:42.000 the most interesting character of the many that there have been. 08:42.000 --> 08:46.000 He was not very friendly, I have to say, to the visiting actors, 08:46.000 --> 08:48.000 but he was a great perfectionist. 08:48.000 --> 08:49.000 This is probably the reason. 08:49.000 --> 08:52.000 And if you didn't quite get right exactly what he needed, 08:52.000 --> 08:55.000 and what he thought was needed for the whole thing, not just for him, 08:55.000 --> 08:58.000 then he was very ratty and irritable. 08:58.000 --> 09:04.000 On the other hand, suddenly he would smile and accept you into his world, 09:04.000 --> 09:07.000 and you felt that you'd been given a great big present. 09:07.000 --> 09:13.000 But I would say that, generally speaking, my experience with Bill was quite rough, really. 09:13.000 --> 09:18.000 Well, I was playing Richard the Lionheart, after all! 09:18.000 --> 09:23.000 Richard Plantagenet was born in Oxfordshire, England, in the year 1157, 09:23.000 --> 09:26.000 the third son of King Henry II. 09:26.000 --> 09:30.000 He was a child of Aquitaine, a part of southern France. 09:30.000 --> 09:33.000 His native language, therefore, was not English, 09:33.000 --> 09:35.000 and throughout his life he spoke little of it. 09:35.000 --> 09:41.000 Known to history as Coeur de Lion, or Lionheart, because of his bravery in battle. 09:41.000 --> 09:45.000 He is epitomised as a great warrior and a noble king. 09:45.000 --> 09:48.000 In reality, Richard had little time for England, 09:48.000 --> 09:52.000 and spent only six months of his ten-year reign on English soil. 09:52.000 --> 09:56.000 In 1187, Richard learned of the tragic loss at Hattin, 09:56.000 --> 10:03.000 where the Crusaders had lost Jerusalem to the Saracen leader Almaric al-Nasir Saladin Yusuf, 10:03.000 --> 10:06.000 known to Europeans as Saladin. 10:06.000 --> 10:10.000 Upon the death of his father, Henry II, in 1189, 10:10.000 --> 10:14.000 Richard was crowned King of England in Westminster Abbey, London. 10:14.000 --> 10:21.000 Richard had only one ambition, to lead a crusade against Saladin and recapture Jerusalem. 10:21.000 --> 10:27.000 Richard stayed in England only long enough to make the necessary arrangements to fund the crusade. 10:27.000 --> 10:30.000 To this end, he sold everything that could be sold, 10:30.000 --> 10:36.000 manors, castles, towns, privileges, sheriffdoms, and other public offices. 10:36.000 --> 10:39.000 Richard was in a hurry, and is reported to have said, 10:39.000 --> 10:44.000 I would sell London if only I could find someone rich enough to buy it. 10:44.000 --> 10:48.000 He imposed a hefty tax on the English people called a Saladin Tithe, 10:48.000 --> 10:51.000 as a means of aiding his war effort. 10:51.000 --> 11:11.000 Richard sailed from Dover, and was soon en route to the Holy Lands.