and he came to san francisco from a town not too distant from where i lived in mineola. and he could practice that. and so in 1963 or 64, when he took over glide in the tenderloin, that was not black, that was just a collection of people who really needed some attention in a fabulous city. and they got it from cecil williams. >> mr. mayor, can we talk for a moment about those church services? because they were spirited. they were celebratory. i mean, is that how you believe he was able to attract such a diverse group of parishioners? >> well, cecil, i must say, and i know i'll be criticized for it, but cecil was an entertaining preacher. he really did have a means by which everybody who showed up on sunday morning got involved in the church, not from saying, lord, please save me. but cecil gave them the opportunity to say, lord, i'm here to serve. and it was wonderful to have somebody do that. >> yeah, he was something special. you know, obviously, mr. mayor, a huge part of his legacy is, is the social services aspect of what was happening at glide here. and you look no