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Understanding 9/11tv Taini sledstviya-9 RUSSIA1 April 24, 2024 2:55am-3:41am MSK
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all sorts of barriers, it was necessary to break down all the doors, the prints of our feet are waiting on the streets, the gloves in our pockets are whispering, and he pointed out this path, the path forward, heroic, grebenchikov, of course, said that all meanings must be sought in crystal spaces, we must look up, that’s where they all hover, you just need to read them. kuryokhin said that all these meanings are inside a person, in his microcosm.
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his life's path was interrupted, we also quarreled with him and didn't talk for quite a long time, maybe even a year, and that's it on the day of birth, we made peace with him, and i am grateful to fate that we made peace with him, thank god, the message he left is still working, it’s amazing that it’s been going on for so many years now, can you imagine,
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something could come to some conclusions at the same time, so yes, this is a difficult story for me, so sergei gennadievich, i wanted to ask you not about music, but about cinema, i wanted to watch your film two captains 2, but before that for some reason i read several reviews and annotations and realized that i didn’t know anything i understand, that's why... i would like to ask you
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personally in the first person, what idea did you put into this film, and what is it about? well , firstly, it must be said right away that the film two captains 2 is a tool for, firstly, to communicate with a large number of people, and secondly, it is a tool for creating an atmosphere in society, no matter how strange and sad it is, returning to the film two captains 2, you see, this is a set of certain ideas
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that are enclosed in such a paradoxically psychedelically funny form in many ways, some - the path of such pseudo-documentary, the path of such truth through untruth, then films appeared, the first on the moon, there was tovarich chkalov’s crossing of the north pole, that is, exciting imaginations appeared, things
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that the younger generation accepted with a bang, especially then, but it is necessary to say that i notice that, well, since the ninety-first year about...
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only the benevolent darkness will spread its quiet cover over us, time will move the arrow of slow hours towards midnight, when one happy love does not sleep in the silence of nature, then my prison in... believing, and i am in your monastery, soon but soon the argus will fall asleep to the treacherous castles of my steps, by the voluptuous silence, by
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the bold trembling hands, by the inflamed breath and hot, affectionate lips, recognize the lover, have arrived, delighted, joy. my, oh, if only the bliss of love would die with bliss. incandescent chaos is a chronicle perfectly edited by you. what questions do you answer to yourself? well, i think the most important thing is to ask questions. there is some finitude in the answer. and some wrong certainty, because there is no certainty in life. the world is so simple and at the same time so complex that we cannot understand it, so the film incandescent chaos is probably the only film on which i worked as much as i wanted, so it is just perfected to the micron, literally, the entire its
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editing, the rhythm, everything that i wanted to say in this film was done, it was said, this story, it covers... holy russia, the russian empire, could
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turn into the rsfsr, the ussr, what could i was worried, i didn’t understand how this would happen? and in this film i develop the idea that red october was the first color revolution, a scheme that was created then, and this scheme still works successfully, all color revolutions are built according to the same scheme.
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held him in his arms, and i asked him, as a living witness, and generally spoke with the russian emigration, what they think about this, with our historians, famous, of course historians, this matter has appeared, and i am very pleased that i got rid of this topic, the revolution of the seventeenth year. changed the course of life for all people in our country, how did it affect your family? well, it seems to me that it influenced, of course, everything, the society was very clearly, constructively organized, everyone knew their job, everyone knew their place, everyone knew their goal, and the society was also incredibly religious, there was this core, loss this core, it largely led to the emergence of a non... average person, about whom the bolsheviks, in fact, until recently
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, and even through the mouth of brezhnev, said that we want to create a great community of people, the soviet people, in many ways they succeeded, indeed, as for me, yes, of course, my one grandmother was a countess, and the other grandmother was a completely simple and russian woman, in this regard, it’s like my mother... was involved in culture and, so to speak , carried all these codes, and my father was a simple guy, handsome, a jack of all trades, he taught me how to work with my hands, understand what wood is, what metal is, how it all connects with each other, is processed, what kind of magic is it when you make something out of nothing with your own hands, and my mother taught me the opposite, that... culture is the foundation on which everything else rests, and i’m developing this idea
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now, because i think that the attitude towards culture is actually not correct enough, for some reason they always talk about economics, about some kind of space research, about some kind of research into the microworld, about medicine, about what whatever they want, first of all they say, without understanding that... when a person is born, he encounters culture, songs, fairy tales, myths, then cartoons, painting, this shapes a person, because... it is not a person for the economy, but an economy for a person, and these are all secondary things, unfortunately, in the world , and even in our country, where it would seem that there has always been a special attitude towards culture, we have a light to which we reach out, without which we cannot imagine our lives, but in
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government, it seems to me that culture plays an insufficient role at the moment , i believe that very many... cultural processes require a restart, they require a general rethinking, including in cinema, because it is impossible to stay on the hollywood scheme all the time, it is too elementary. cinema is modern, it works mainly with human instincts, that is, it hits home with its effects, its some kind of intricacies, its fears, it either scares a person or tickles him, so he has... two, so to speak, main directions , but it seems to me that our man yearned for a spiritual conversation, important for the conversation that he can be and never led, but somewhere in the depths, it sleeps in it, this is what needs to be awakened, and only culture can do this, that’s what concerns the family, if
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you go back to it, my mother was greek, from a noble greek... family and they ended up in russia, just the diaspora was there in the north caucasus, but i grew up in a completely russian environment, we only visited these greek relatives there at easter, at christmas, no more moreover, for me they were like, well , just some distant relatives, quite strange, i didn’t feel at all tied to this diaspora from a national point of view. but when i grew up, the flow of blood somehow began to speak its own bells, i once became interested in this family tree and a girl of about 12 probably said: i ’ll tell you everything now, took a notebook in a box and began to draw this tree from the roots
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there here at the top, i saw what a place of honor there was where etmy occupied, how... all this was distributed, and i realized that i was generally a leaf on a branch, there was something about me happened, i suddenly realized that the power of tradition is not going anywhere, because tradition is not the past, tradition is eternal, and this is very important, because when you understand that you live in eternity, then everything becomes eternal. working in the first years in cinema with alexander sokurov, you laid down values, views, principles in art in your directorial
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experience. what other influences did you have? i... you see, sakurov is one of the most complex figures in russian cinema. he's a real professional, he knows how to hook a person to introduce him into a parallel state of consciousness, frankly speaking, maybe even too much. at some point he found himself in a rock-and-roll environment and wanted to do something with our rock stars, jointly, and we even did something... we met him there, and his personality really attracted me with this integrity of his. , with this thoughtfulness of his, with this depth of his, real, because sakurov, of course, is a very, very smart, very knowledgeable person, especially familiar with the history of the state and world history in general, but i i can’t say that he influenced me in any way, his work, it’s too
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serious, it’s too deep... i still try to hold on to some kind of spiritual vigor, i still try to somehow manifest myself with such the positive side, as michel de daigne said, we are forced to be optimistic, look at the positive sides of things, because if you look at the negative ones, who have enough of them, then you can go crazy, so i don’t want to go crazy and i have my own path, glory god, i found it. why did you decide to consider crimea with all possible points, and from space, from under water, from a bird's eye view. at the eye level of crimean cats, i had such an idea back in the mid-nineties, when, so to speak, this
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mockery of what was happening to our homeland dominated, and filmmakers made films about all kinds of drug addicts, about some kind of horrors and received prizes at international festivals for showing our country itself, so to speak. i realized that this story cannot be done in its entirety, firstly, it is incredibly financially capacious, there had to be a state will, and i decided to do it in parts, so
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the first picture was, it was a hymn to the great city, a film about st. petersburg, which was shot on a very large scale, then there were drones, it was something, so to speak, in general, incredibly rare, unique, and no one has ever seen st. petersburg from these points at all in their life, working on... with this film i realized that in the world, in our country, there are such nodal energetically important sacred zones, and i realized that this future, perhaps, a film about the russian anthem, it should consist of these here are some of the most important ones, where there is a nodal concentration of energy, here is crimea in this sense, it is precisely this very powerful one...
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imagine crimea simply as a separate planet, just look at it like this, we even had a meeting with roscosmos the agreement was this cosmonaut shkaplerov, who then filmed the film call, he overpowered him to send there, we became friends with him, and he filmed crimea from space for us, our cameramen traveled a lot around crimea, searched and waited, it’s very difficult history, when you come there for...
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for example, such things were successful when snow falls, well, can you imagine, it snowed in the crimea, well, that’s how long it can last, well, 20 minutes, so it’s possible to film these landscapes in which it lasts 20 minutes, he is no longer there, he may never be in this place again in his life, maybe it was a phenomenal phenomenon, so you just need to treat crimea as if it were some kind of heart, the heart of the world in general.
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just on the territory of the monastery, you entered another universe, very closed, how were you received, what did you leave the monastery with? well, of course, we came as metropolitan filmmakers with equipment, with plans, with some intentions, with the fact that we will now come here, so to speak, we will organize this whole situation, in general, and nothing worked out for us, because we you really got into the right place completely... but the world, and this world turned out to be such that at first you don’t even understand how it works, this world, and it’s not just a monastery, it’s the whole archipelago, over time, after a week there, you forget that there is an outside world, that you had some kind of life story of your own, that you have some friends there, an address and some responsibilities, and you suddenly realize that you you are at such a crossroads, intersection.
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between infinity lying horizontally and eternity lying vertically, here you are between these two energies, you suddenly begin to understand that these are not just some words about some kind of holiness, enlightenment, you suddenly understand that this is all in reality, only after no matter how you understand it, this is where divine conduct comes into its own, she says oh yes... everything comes to life, everything begins to happen by itself, characters appear by themselves, natural phenomena, rainbows, snow, the right wind, the right birds begin to float , then, when you arrive, film the whales that are there, well, they usually bring them to a special place where they hang out, when we arrived, we had 50 of them in one shot, despite the fact that... that those who
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brought us they say we're nothing like that never seen in my life, well, five, well, seven, sometimes, well, 10, that was generally the limit, it was there some year i remember, then suddenly they all just arrived with children and started doing some kind of dances there, well then is when you stop being the person you were and become something else and connect to all this - in fact, only... in truth, honestly, then everything begins to happen by itself, through meetings, through conversations, suddenly it became clear that we didn’t come here just to film another film, but that we are trying to make some kind of work that will have meaning, that will have a destiny, that will really be voluminous and meaningful, the monastery began to help us - in our filming, not that it suddenly turned into a feature film, when there they
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began to fulfill all our... whims, of course, but they stopped somehow ignoring us, became much more friendly and pliable and let us go where they usually go, well, there, for example, they talk about sfors, they say: no, no, no, filming we don’t allow groups there, we start prosphoras, they just don’t work out , they just disappear, but after a while, okay, you come in, that’s how... it happened that we suddenly began to simply live one life, gradually, and so, we began, well, firstly, to humble ourselves, of course, secondly, this endless chain of services that takes place there, such loops, and conversations with monks, and you suddenly realize that you didn’t know anything at all, didn’t understand anything until that moment, because most often people have such a distorted... idea
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of monasticism, well, these are probably those people who somehow couldn’t cope with this difficult life, someone had some kind of tragedy, someone, it means, i just somehow didn’t adapt to this life, so they went to a monastery and there they seem to while away their lives, in fact, this is not at all true, because going to a monastery is actually a feat, in fact, these people are incredibly integral, very educated who understand everything about this modern world, incredibly advanced, they follow everything, they understand everything, we are, in general, in the spiritual sense, sick, so they pray for us with all their hearts, so that we, so to speak, will somehow stretch this spiritual thread and have not slipped into this material zone, exclusively material, because it still seems to me that every person has.
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there is some kind of mission, only when you understand it, it may not be large-scale, it may be, i don’t know, to raise a child, but when you begin to treat life not just like a chain. mistakes or some simple events not related to each other, then you begin to understand your mission, and as soon as you understand this mission, then everything becomes much simpler, brighter, as the sage said, the truth is very easy to recognize, simply by its radiance, which comes from her.
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the glow of a great conflagration stood over all of russia, the new owners burned the treasures of the spirit that adorned it, created by man... the visible burned, the invisible created by god lived , it is eternal. do you, as an artist, director, any prohibitions or taboos? thank you. i think that we should all have prohibitions and taboos, because permissiveness is not freedom.
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it seems to me that real freedom cannot be without restrictions. the creators have a very serious responsibility. and those who have their own works. then all sorts of disgusting spectacles that modern culture imposes on us in many ways, if i may say so, this would not have happened, after all, man is a most complex creature, and that he consists to a greater extent of spirit
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than of body, and we cannot even imagine how does our brain work in general? is our mind actually there inside the skull or is it somewhere outside? put them on such negativity, they are already feeding, starting to feed on this negativity, they need to be brought back to their senses, so if you don’t put these restrictions, then the energy begins to spread in all directions, this
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was the fault of the nineties, when soviet art, soviet cinema existed there, soviet theater, i don’t know, literature, suddenly everything was allowed, and what can we remember? from this period, well except for the film two captains 2, of course, you know, this is the problem of cinema, that it constantly brings out, takes evil to a new level, giving it more and more importance, because evil is much more dynamic, it is much more expressive, bright, effective , arrogant, but something bright, kind, it, it is always calmer, peaceful, poetic, and if on the bright side, then a headwind, efforts, and
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spiritual work and some kind of tension should come from within you, you should yourself, love for people somehow not to condemn, as if look at the positives. it’s not easy, it’s the same with history, there is not a single historical fact that could be considered in its bare form, because the same fact, it... looks different from different points of view, you just need to develop your own attitude towards this historical fact, and not to be nervous that these people say this, these people say this, but it doesn’t matter who says what, what matters is what you think about this, so if you come to a certain view on some historical fact, then that’s it , you can calm down, and also with a place in life, if you stand on the bright side, even if it’s a test, you hold on, and if you’re somewhere in between, then anyway it’s already...
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it’s clear that there is, so to speak, this whole material structure in which you forced to arrive, with which you are forced to reckon, because someone needs you, someone calls you, someone demands something from you, you don’t have enough time, the last time, it seems to me, the decades have accelerated greatly, and then , what could the creators do there in some 15th century during the era... revival, this is not under strength to modern creators, because they
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don’t have time for this, there just aren’t enough days. we find ourselves in a situation like the ancient greeks said that man’s life is short, his imagination and mind are limited, so we are generally not able to come to any conclusions more or less definitely, that is, we can try or die trying, but to fully comprehend the mystery of man. it was probably impossible for
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it to go on like this, for a person to gradually turn into such a meek, obedient, disciplined consumer, we seem to have come to terms with the fact that, well, yes, civilization is developing, probably soon we will all be sent to the digital future in virtual worlds, and so to speak, well, what to do, it’s clear that
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the element is beautiful, we adore it, it’s a miracle light, but only there could the revolution of the seventeenth year take place, and nowhere else, only there could this stratification of society into those who speak french, in fact, into the people, arise,
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so this is a twofold, twofold view of the city, it i also think this is the case present in the film. do not leave your homes, this is an emergency, take care of the lives of your family and friends. thank
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you very much for this conversation. finally, i want to say that i came to many conclusions here at this place together with you, thank you for pushing me to them, i saw many of my weaknesses, which is also very important, so the main thing is to try to become as harmonious as possible personality on this path. and there will be a lot of surprises and acquisitions, thank you very much, god bless you, thank you very much, thank you, thank you.
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