of marijuana offenders. and the move could garner political support this election year, particularly among young voters. it still has to go through a public comment period. >> who said president biden is not pro business? with that, i wish you all a very good night. ari is up next. make sure to tune in tomorrow when i will be speaking to robert deniro about his worst nightmare. a second trump term. and why he has become so vocal in politics. you do not want to miss it. but for now i will say thank you, from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late with me. i'll see you at the end of

tomorrow. you don't have to be a news junkie to know what is driveing the trial of defendant trump. they have made headway with the jury in this case. the reason, we saw this in court yesterday, is receipts. this trial which is about many different issues and questions about witness credibility and political intrigue and all kinds of stuff, is currently working against trump as a defendant because there are just so many receipts. the receipts include the onslaught of emails and secret text and ndas and as i mentioned last night, i was inside the courtroom yesterday in one of the rare coveted reporter seats and i can tell you we saw along with the jury

actual literal receipts. the legal kind. written contracts of this whole sordid scene. the allegations he and allies directly tried to hide. in that campaign year. it is a pile of paperwork that is essentially burying defendant trump's main defenses. now remember, in the first week, trump's lawyers detailed these certain trump defenses. they were basically factual denials. and i'm reminding you what they said. it is very simple. the first two are these types of factual denials thating in happened. he didn't do it. or if anything happened, his lawyer cohen did it. well these receipts are shredding that kind of denial. and that helps the da's case. we will get through this trial of a former president. and we will learn things as we go. so what we heard a month back about how it was going to go was a kind of projection based

on some evidence. but now we are actually seeing how it works and some of it is just interesting though the innocent is still presumed innocent. but i can tell you legally the da is making headway with that jury that i watched yesterday. they are doing something strategic. i will tell you what it is. they are helping the jury see the facts, the core facts that trump had this history. that he made these sort of purchases of silence. and did it for a campaign related reasons. they are making a jury see those kinds of facts as arguably proven as true. before they hear from the star witnesses that we are told are so important. big names that even if you don't follow politics, most people now have heard. why, why would you put your

star that late? if they feel like an afterthought, then, the da has a strategy to basically show jurors we already prove this right? we see them admit the same thing. saw the receipt for it. and that trump paid for it. so their argument in plain english to the jury is it doesn't even matter if trump's defense lawyer attacks some of those witnesses. it doesn't matter because you already knew what happened. it doesn't matter to the court case which the reseats already confirmed. is what the da argues. and the jury is seeing that paper trail. so i'm explaining to you why this matters and i will show you this into the weeds. like a 2017 email from a white house aide asking for specific

labels for the checks he signed for cohen. the funds all point to the same thing. donald trump paid cohen back for an inflated amount for the secret deals. that's the money part. as for criminal intent, prosecutors want to prove trump's driving motivation was this off the book campaign crime. they are trying to prove that before cohen take it is stands so if michael cohen says it was clear to him it was a campaign crime and that is what he pled guilty to and the trump lawyers say but who believes this guy? here's the reason you shouldn't. the jury will be told through the receipts and everything else, you don't need cohen for this. remember, everything we showed you in the beginning of the trial, and like other things in life, a lot of people feel like what they get first is more important. on the campaign part, trump and clinton clinched their party's nominations in june. campaign politics stretch from june all the way through

october 16 when the, excuse me, october 7. year 16. when the access hollywood tape came out. that is when the jury saw that this lawyer, of the women, texted the enquirer editor. trump is fed. the enquirer responds, it's over people. that's was the mind state of the very people doing these secret deals. it was in that month the prosecutors responded. my guys in five states today, three or four or five different states. there is nothing i can do. i'm doing everything i can. with some expletives as well. the point is think about it. there is nothing cohen could do because he needed donald trump's personal sign off. if he was flying through the states in the air and on the stage, he couldn't get to him. if he couldn't get to him, he

couldn't sign off. that undercuts what trump's defense lawyers will tell you. the text shows at the time in secret, cohen's story checks out. what they will tell the jury here is, and again i'm not quoting this part yet. this is what you would get in a closing argument. what they are basically building up to tell the jury is you don't have to believe anything cohen said this year. you just have to believe the text. because that's what they said then. because they are real. and this is a court. this is what is admissible. defense lawyers are not allowed to do fake news on the campaign

trail. they are not allowed to say that kind of thing because that would be perjury to the jury. the court was dark today as it is wednesday. he is back in court tomorrow. there will be another gag order hearing with new allegations alleged. this will have higher stakes after the judge warned jail time is the possible penalty. he said that in the bench and in his written order. they won't tolerate willful violations. if necessary, they will impose an incarceratory punishment. incarceration. jail. the judge is holding the line while avoiding defendant trump's efforts to try to lean it and avoid the big clash of a circus. the judge delayed dealing with the gag order longer than he had to because he said let's show everybody this thing is on. show the defendant this thing is on. you are not capsizing and

delaying this. trump's allies are trying to take this $9,000 fine and turn it into the greatest injustice of the year or decade. they are presenting what is legally a fairly measured response from the judge as something more. now remember, other defendants have been jailed before trial for smaller violations of a gag order than what we have seen here which included lying about the judge's daughter and going after witnesses. so this was legally a measured response. you could walk around the street and say trump is getting away with it again. they will say i shouldn't fight him at all. what does $9,000 mean. as a factual matter, this was a measured response from the judge. any lawyer, anyone with court trial history will tell you that. but they are treating it as a kind of out of control judicial threat. >> one. the $9,000 fine. contempt.

i predict there will never be a bigger fund raising moment for donald trump than this one. >> they are threatening to throw the republican nominee for president in jail for talking, harris. for talking during an election. now i'm not a lawyer. just play one on tv. but, according to the gag, you could have the loch ness monster as a juror and trump couldn't say the loch ness monster is real. >> helps you understand it right? factually, that would be what you just heard a misleading rendition of this gag order. but beyond conservative media, it is worth noticing how the trial news keeps breaking news. we are seeing it in newspapers, local coverage. we are seeing it as the big deal that it is. it is unprecedented. i don't say that to mean that it is automatically bad for donald trump. if everyone knows he is on trial in new york city, and he

skates with a hung jury, it may play as some kind of comeback. but i'm telling you what the fox folks are spinning that somehow there is an out of control judge throwing a little loch ness monster reference in for good measure. that is not how it is playing in the rest of the country and there are punch lines about the gag order loss. >> i know. $9,000 may not seem like a lot to a successful businessman. but what about to trump? >> don't let the judge tell you what to do. be a man. >> the judge held trump in contempt and fined him $9,000 for violating his gag order nine times. trump was like but i get the tenth one free right? >> people know what is

happening. this trial is going forward. i can't tell you what the outcome will be and i'm not going to tell you whether the outcome is good or bad when it happens because in the rule of law, it is actual justice we are pursuing. that means you have a fair trial. not one hijacked by threats of violence or the defendant's antics or outside pressure. but if you finish a fair trial, the result is the product of that fair trial. no one will be happy with any of all the outcomes. that's why we try to have a transparent fair trial with the rule of law. i can tell you that this defendant opposes that kind of thing. both for himself and for others. i can tell you about that history. we have lived through that. but, it is a hallmark of civilized society, of the civilization we want to be, not the one we always are, that we afford those rights to all. regardless of who they are and regardless of whether they are a part of the regrettable group of people who would not afford

those rights to others. you might say legally, it is a type of michelle obama rule. you go high and stay high no matter what. what we are seeing as the trial grinds on with these receipts is they are making headway in the efforts to disrupt, delay, hi jack, or circus-ify his trial. by the defendant are failing. we turn to our experts in 90 seconds. our experts in 90 seconds. th kisqali, i can have both. kisqali is a pill that when taken with an aromatase inhibitor helps delay cancer from growing and has been proven to help people live significantly longer across three separate clinical trials. so, i have the confidence to live my life. kisqali can cause lung problems or an abnormal heartbeat, which can lead to death. it can cause serious skin reactions, liver problems, and low white blood cell counts that may result in severe infections.

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we are back with molly and renato. molly, here we are at the table. i mentioned that you can only learn about these things as they go. cohen and stormy are almost being held as the closer to a case that by the time you get to your closers you better have made a lot of the case. what do you think about that strategy from the da's side. you, a story teller for one of our magazines, know a thing or two about putting a story together and the order matters. >> right, the order matters and remember, the big problem with this case is michael cohen. he may not be a witness. he is just not as good a witness as someone like david pecker. and i think david pecker has been me tick meticulous and not emotional.

at every point they backed it up with documents and i think a lot of people have watched this trial. and been really pleasantly surprised with just how organized and methodical the case they are making is. and that these more salacious characters like michael and stormy are coming in later. and less for the mechanics of the case. >> and i want to mention something that will be no surprise to you. but i didn't get time to mention it yesterday. we, everyone in court, most importantly the jurors, spent over an hour staring at a screen with this log of text and it was zoomed out so you couldn't make an individual one. over 15 text ins a row. and they would zoom in on one and come out. and zoom in on another. and the experience, if you were not super interested in the content, might be like the

worst accountant internship you have ever gotten. but it felt like not only in substance but tone, they were trying to mention the jury, we have this all. anyone coming in to talk about it is just reconfirming and confirming what we have in the receipts. >> you know what is so important about those receipts, ari, it shows how donald trump is in the thick of everything. one defense you could have, right, if you were a defendant here is hey, i was running for president. i was a rich guy and all these businesses. i wasn't focused on this. this wasn't important to me. there is no way he can make that defense here. because they have the receipts that show he was intimately involved. you had shown something a moment ago where michael cohen is like i can't reach him. this a guy literally running for president. and his lawyer is trying to reach him in the middle of all that to discuss this issue.

this hush money scheme. he was involved and hands on. this was his scheme. >> molly, take a listen to how da bragg spoke about how it came down to a paper trail. receipts, wires, texts, with cohen involved. >> less than two weeks before the presidential election, michael cohen wired $130,000 to stormy daniel's lawyer. that payment was the damaging information from the voting public. >> straightforward. >> and what was crucial and critical and they got right away which i think was so important, this was not about protecting melania. the defense wants you to think this was about trump protecting his family but we know and that is what pecker spoke to, he knew this was about the

campaign. that the access hollywood tape had come out and they were worried that these two other allegations would sink his campaign. >> yeah. and, renato, again, we don't make the news, we report on it and the parts that are dry are dry. politico had a similar observation about the davidson testimony yesterday. i will read that to you. while there are colorful claims at the core, davidson, the lawyer for daniels and mcdougal, had a presentation that was cautious and calculated. in other words, lawyerly. for prosecutors, his staid recollection would be a welcome contrast. do you show that assessment or what do you think? >> i agree. that is why these are our early witnesses. molly was talking a moment ago about how to put together a

story. as a trial lawyer i think of it as putting on a play. and these are my actors and actresses i'm putting on essentially to set a stage. in the beginning you want to have your mother careful witnesses. you don't want the first impression from the jury to be something wild and crazy. we were talking about how trump understood from the beginning it was going to be the companies that were going to be footing the bill ultimately. showing the time, tying this together to the false statement and business records that are core to the charges here for the district attorney. >> it was too boring and too uneventful to get into. >> could i put a plug in for cspan? >> please. >> cspan is amazing. i am plugging their podcast

instead of mine. it is totally unfiltered. it is a really good view of government if there is one thing you want to do, it is listen to the cspan. >> we talk about facts. one of the points that came up yesterday, i'm half joking it was boring. it was that the cspan record said this is really the video we took of trump. it is not a deep fake. it is not an edited video but speaks to the fact that cspan has everyone dead to rights because it was there the last resort. their video cameras are always running. good to see you molly. renato, stick around. i want your legal views. later we turn to the sweeping abortion ban in florida. it takes effect today. we will continue to report on those stories and we have a obama veteran here to talk about what you read might affect what you think. if that sundays simple, it is actually deeply important with the coming election. but first, we turn to

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it has been striking. we have seen the former president seated in the courtroom daily like anyone else. and the magnitudefelt across the nation. >> the first ever criminal trial of a former president. >> we didn't know what that would look like. or feel like. but today, we found out. >> a history playing out in lower manhattan. >> the first ever criminal trial of a major party's presumptive nominee. >> could be trump's only criminal case to go before a jury before the november election. >> the scale of the abnormality

is so staggering. >> you are probably talking about this or heard someone else talking about it. >> so it is a big deal. as we follow what happens each day, we see that momentum the underlying incident of whether this money was paid and lied about seems highly likely to be proven. the silence was purchased, the enquirer was on board. but there is more here. that goes to an interesting point in understanding the case and the defense side. because, what i mention that incident is not the only thing the da has. accusing trump of a campaign crime for the election. and they have this new york law about unlawful means. here on the beat, we always try

to give you all of the facts. that is why we talk to all of the the primary sources we can get to and look at the trial both sides. we are joined by a legal expert tonight who has written in the new york times about why the case they are using is a historic mistake and the da has a quote vague allegation against defendant trump which raises concern about what could be an unprecedented use of state law alleging a campaign conspiracy crime related to a federal election. i can tell you legal experts disagree about this very issue. so what we are showing you is one perspective, not the only one but it will be very relevant as the case goes forward and whether donald trump's defense lawyers are able to convince one or more jurors to have reasonable doubt as to either facts, did he did it, or the law, does this meet the elements of the campaign crime alleged as a felony. we are joined by professor jed

sugarman. the author of that piece. renato mariati is around to respond as well. >> thanks for having me. >> i'm see you in a minute. >> sounds good. >> okay, professor, it is just me and you to start as you explain why specifically whether or not people think the da picked the right case or should do heavier or lighter or the same approach to the fact it is a former president. let's put that to the side and talk about your concern about the campaign theory and how that could come up in this trial or has reasonable doubt. >> the key way that the manhattan da is taking a misdemeanor and making it a felony is alleging a violation of the federal election campaign act. the first of four reasons why this is unprecedented. untested. or, dusting off the books to find something that hasn't been used for 40 or 50 years.

so first, i found as i searched for state prosecutors' use of this law, the federal election campaign act, i couldn't find in american history a single example of this. let me pause there and say that is one of my chief concerns here about the rule of law. i have been dreading and many of us as lawyers have been dreading the return of donald trump. he has told us what he wants to do with the department of justice and prosecutions. he campaigned on locking her up. the other side, we have been arguing back about the rule of law and the rule of law depends on precedents. if the prosecutors are reaching for new theories or unprecedented theories, if first of all, makes it seem like the rule of law gets to be very convenient. >> i'm not soliciting your opinion of their ethics. you don't have any expertise in that or reporting deeply on it. i'm asking your legal view. so let's stick to the federal

part. you are saying if one of the possible things that supervises into a felony is a federal violation in state court, that is your view of the record unprecedented. let's call for the sake of argument very unusual. you are saying that makes it a higher burden, a tougher case for them to prove to the jury. >> it makes a question of whether this practice is a matter of law or norms. there is a preemption clause in the statute. that is a complicated technical aspect of the law. but it says in the law itself, this is for federal enforcement and what i found is it has only been for federal enforcement. >> i think that is a fair criticism they will have to answer. second, once the trial started, the da points to that state law that i put up on the screen about campaigning through unlawful means as you accurately reference, that is one of several options but that is now the main one. what do you say to that?

>> some experts and lawyers say they have never heard of this statute being raised. an someone else did an investigation and found this has not been used since the 70s or 1981. so it is another example. >> we will put it on the screen again. i don't mean to jump in too much. legally, does it apply or not apply. two people conspire to elect someone through unlawful means. >> this law, ari. >> because the allegation in this case constitute unlawful mean ins your legal view, or is that a really high bar? >> well, this statute is just a conspiracy place holder. it doesn't stand on its own. this would be, if this was

being prosecute on its own as unlawful means that is too vague. the way it works is that the manhattan da is relying on the state law as a shoe horn for getting to the federal law. so they still have to prove a federal violation to enable this vague statute as conspiracy laws operate. >> let me say it another way and you respond. the da's theory if they use this statute on the screen is that this lie, the business fraud about the records, that is what makes it a felony. what do you say that the lie is substantially proven. i don't think you are up here tonight saying it was all on the up and up in the original thing and here is your secondary offense. what do you say to that? >> well, lying is not illegal. >> business fraud is. legally presumed innocent but i don't think you are here saying

nothing happened. >> no. i think this was a violation of federal law. i think it was. but, the doj decided not to prosecute this. so, the facts are definitely ugly and ugly enough to say if the federal prosecutors had decided to bring this, i would not be raising these questions. but that is exactly the question. right? this is for federal prosecutors and i think the biden administration deserves more credit for using their discretion here. and, that is the concern here. is that, ari, this is why lawyers talk about jurisdiction. this is the law. so, carl sanburg said if you don't have the facts, argue the law, if you don't have the law, argue the facts. if you have neither, stand on the table and yell. turns out we might have expected trump to need to stand on the table to yell. but what i'm telling you is that the facts are indeed not just ugly, i think this is a federal violation but the law say this is only for federal

courts. >> so hang with me. as promised, renato comes back in. welcome back, renato. you have been listening. what do you think of the point that jed raises and i want to be clear with the audience, a legal defense like this could give jurors reasonable doubt meaning if you take everything the professor said and you add it up to a juror saying i don't know if they prove the second one, that could be doubt. or you have a conviction to have this overturned on appeal for some of these reasons. >> i respect the professor's scholarly opinion. i think it is just that. first of all, i don't expect this to be an argument that trump's team leans on in court. if someone has tried a lot after cases, jurors are not going to find this very compelling. >> you think it is too complicated? >> yeah. i mean, it is hard to follow. >> i host the show and at various points i got confused. >> right. i don't think jurors are going

to follow this at all. >> so what about appeal? what about appeal? >> i don't see that either. the judge wrote a 30-page opinion going through all of these points. and, dealing with them and i thought it was very well put. now the reality is the da's office frequently uses federal statutes as the underlying concealed crime. just not this one. not this particular campaign offense. that is because this is not like stealing a pack of gum from the 7/11. it is something that doesn't happen very often. >> that is always the issue with precedent. so i take your point on that. i want to give the professor the last word. what do you say to again nuanced point that renato raises that if this were on appeal, the da would argue to the appeals courts of course

an aggravating aspect of this could be hiding it from the feds because the state and the federal government have a strong interest. in preventing people from cover- ups of other crimes. >> so it turns out that is one of the other reasons why this is unprecedented. trump's lawyers argue that there has never, this is not the way the state statute works. it has never been used this way. and the manhattan da would not cite a single precedent. >> but the other federal crimes. that if you commit business fraud to hide money that was going to a terrorist organization on the federal list list, then that was not necessarily a new york crime. >> in state courts, this is an untested theory. and in federal court, this would be looked at as beyond the jury diction of state

courts to reach out to use state filing laws as a kind of campaign finance regulation. >> yeah. >> that is what the manhattan da is doing. >> we wanted to hear the view, renato made his points. i appreciate both of you. professor sugarman. thanks to both of you. up next, we talk about how we know what we know. you ever talk to people and they have a different idea of what is reality? our friend from the obama campaign on an interesting political divide and how to bridge it coming up. bridge it coming up. the risk of kidney failure with farxiga. because there are places you'd like to be. farxiga can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis. ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ i love that my daughter still needs me.

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we have heard people with strong feelings all around. did you know one of the great divides now is not just about what we believe, but it is about how we came to believe what we believe. the information, the facts, the very reality we accept. you get it from the new york times and the official news or do you get it from somewhere else? we live in a time when there is of course more media and content than ever before. if you hear that word. and i can tell you this up front. people who still read newspapers to get information prefer president biden by a whopping margin. if you look at this, not by left or right or where you live. but just how do you get your information. newspapers, all kinds,

overwhelmingly flock to the current president. but trump has a major league among those who don't follow political news at all and that is, did you know this, most people. you? watching or listening to this? me doing this work? we deal with the news. most people don't. now apply that to what people are learning. take the magazine. time. that is pretty old school. trump did a series of interviews where he admitted he still open to using political violence if he loses. the kind of claim that used to disqualify someone. he said it depends if he doesn't win. there is polling showing a different divide. when you look at other media, we show this. i get my information from google or youtube which is a lot of people. 55% back trump. a much smaller share there if you are looking at a close race. prefer biden. social media is closer and social media like a lot of stuff online reflects who you are and where you go.

if this is going to be a youtube election and i can remind you a lot more people watch videos on youtube than traditional tv or cable, trump has an edge. he is pretty shrewd about his history and technology. welcome. >> glad to be here, ari. >> we will put some of the charts back up. what does it tell you there is this newspaper information and no news gap? >> it tells me there has been a paradigm shift in american politics. the unlikely voters, people do innocent follow the news are more likely to be democrats. larry david wrote an op ed in the new york times where he said democrats should stop going after undecided voters and go after unlikely voters.

americans coming together, 20 years ago spent millions of dollars to get unlikely voters to vote. people who don't follow the news. today if you did those efforts you would run the risk of bringing trump voters to the polls. and the reason is that where we get our news is extremely important. our information input says a lot about us and what we believe. none of us can live in the world without information. the problem is the maga base and republicans and lots of people are getting their interpretation and understanding of the the world from people like tucker carlson and donald trump. people telling them there is a brown menace. that there are people, deep state things out to get you. and trump is saying i am your retribution against those people. >> and that's a deep foundation if you think that you have the

truth. there was an old political saying by a candidate who said if my opponent stops lying about me, i'll stop telling the truth about him. as you may know in this escalating war of poetry between drake and kendrick lamar. kendrick dropped yesterday that line. a lot of the art you mentioned deals with history. the type of politics we have today, we are talking so much about truth and belief. because if you are going to have a traditional debate about resources should we fund schools or not? it wouldn't seem that would have to turn into these core clashes about what is even true. >> yeah. so, funding schools is an economic issue. it is one where compromise is very possible. you can split in half. the thing is it is about

cultural issues. who we are. not how we fund the things we think that are important to us but who we are and those are not subject to compromise for lots of people. it is much, much harder for people to compromise on what they view as core beliefs about their identity and their fears. >> here we are inside the media talking about this. but with our best efforts at independence, i ask you, is it also then a complicating factor that so much media today gets pulled into being a part, willingly or not, of those identities you reference rather than truth? because traditional news should be truth first. you can add other thoughts on top of it but we have to have the truth. so if you think about an npr tote bag, does it say i listen to factual radio or does it say something about a wider set of beliefs which ultimately true media has to be willing to doubt and fact check at any

time. sorry for such a high falootin question. >> some of the things in the new york times are seen as a token of education, status, cultural identity as opposed to other things. the thing is those things are really secondary and should be secondary to us when we think about the news. the reason i read the new york times is they are not right all the time but i do know that there is a high probability that they are basing their conclusions on evidence. when they get things wrong which they do, they correct them. that is not the case with a lot of right wing news and podcasts. i mean, just look at robert f. kennedy. based on the idea that covid, that vaccines have killed millions of people and covid hasn't. that is factually untrue. but it is being pushed out by him and other right wing sources, podcasts, social media posts, et cetera. so people believe these things

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tonight we talked about where you get your information from sell vision news, newspapers, other assorted places on the internet and i will remind you we up load most of what we do for free on youtube. go to msnbc.com/ari and you can see the play list including the entire 40 minutes with justice stephen breyer. 40 minutes with retired justice. we covered a lot more than we had time to hair on msnbc. the last word with lawrence o'donnell is up next. today, women in two different states are living in two different realities. women in arizona are one step closer today to undoing some of the damage caused by the overturning of roe v. wade.

after the arizona