senator tammy baldwin gets tonight last word. "the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle" starts now. we are covering breaking news this evening at columbia university here in manhattan where protests against the israel/hamas war in gaza have

been underway for several days. just after 9:00 p.m. eastern the new york city police department breached hamilton hall using a truck with a ramp. that happened almost 24 hours after protesters broke into the building and occupied it. the nypd says hamilton hall is now cleared and so is the tent encampment on the south lawn of the campus. an nypd spokesperson spoke to nbc news shortly after the officers went in. >> the building was very heavily fortified. doorways were blocked by soda machines, couches, plywood. so there were rumors that the nypd used tear gas. the nypd does not use tear gas. we use a distraction device. it is a device that is thrown and makes a loud bang. >> a stun grenade. >> it is a distraction device that makes a loud noise. that allowed officers time to get through the barricades. >> columbia university formally

requested law enforcement help earlier this evening. the weeks long negotiation broke down. columbia released a statement saying the following. quote, the decision to reach out to the nypd was in response to the actions of the protesters, not the cause they are championing. we have made it clear that the life of campus cannot be endlessly interrupted by protesters who violate the rules and the law. nbc news correspondent antonia hylton has been covering the protests and joins us now. tell us what is going on there. you have been there for hours. >> reporter: a, it has been a pretty unbelievable scene. although right now what you are sitting behind me is the aftermath. we now know from the nypd there have been 100 arrest, 40 of them in hamilton hall, the building behind me that protesters have been in, about 60 of them since last night. what we know from students is

there is a mix of student organizers who have been part of different groups and movements, but also the nypd saying there are outside agitators, anarchists, people who have no affiliation with columbia who were leading and part of this movement into hamilton hall. we saw at least two buses full of protesters leaving the scene and now the nypd is saying that most of this operation is over, but we are still hearing from students, steph. students were not part of the protest, by the way, who say they are barricaded by officers in their dorm rooms. they sent photographs and we could see officers making it impossible for students to move around campus, even if they were clearly identified as not being part of any action or protest. everyone on all sides of this issue from jewish students who have long felt unsafe on campus, to pro-palestinian students who felt free speech has been maligned by the university, to faculty members on all sides

and all kinds of disciplines. there is immense anger right now. this feeling that it did not have to escalate to this point. that negotiations could've gone better. an example that keeps coming up today is brown university. brown had an encampment and now it is over. it has been packed up, why? because the university had a dialogue with the students and decided they would bring questions about investment holdings to a board of governors vote so the university is at least going to look at the claims and concerns of the students involved. that is not to say they will take the actions the students demand, but at least they are recognizing it through a democratic process. an olive branch that could've been offered. this will now be the second time the nypd has entered. students of watched friends and classmates get arrested, boarded on buses. they describe it as incredibly traumatizing. everyone i talk to says they expect to wake up tomorrow, still shaken by all of this,

because we heard in a letter from the columbia president explaining the decision to bring the nypd and, that they plan to have an nypd presence past graduation. graduation is may 15. they want officers here until may 17. that is not making most of the students i talked to feel safer. it is making them feel more on edge and there is more concern, now than ever, that this moment that is supposed to be a happy time when people come in from all over the world to celebrate and get ready for graduation, that there is really no way it is going to feel like business and usual for them. a lot of people are in pain and incredibly frustrated right now. >> they are in pain because the police are there or in pain because of the prolonged protest? which one is it? >> reporter: it is both. for many of the students, especially in the undergraduate body, there is anger at the nypd. even students who were not part

of the protest movement to are not necessarily pro-palestinian, describe the sight of seeing nypd enter on april 18 as traumatizing. really difficult to see people they see in class so they know and like and do activities with, getting zip tied and facing court summonses. that is not something that made them happy. then for jewish students who said they felt targeted and dealt with harassment, seeing anti-semitic signs and people protesting from all over new york, coming because the cameras are here and they could get attention and their 15 seconds of fame, that that has been really traumatizing for them as well. that is one thing people here can agree on, this feeling that the administration has failed everyone on all sides. you hear it from the students, you feel it from faculty and staff. that at some point the leadership here failed to figure out a way to make everyone feel heard and feel safe. that there should've been a middle point, because other schools, other communities

seemed to be able to find more peaceful ways to get this done. now here is the second time the nypd has entered. another 100 or so people are on their way downtown to face charges and court summons. it is not making anyone happy. i have yet to meet a single person rejoicing about this or who feel settled or safe at the moment. that is for different interpretations, but that is one thing people seem to be able to come in the middle on. >> just looking at it, such an upsetting scene to see on a college campus. the students are these protesters, i am not sure if they are all students, have they broken the law? >> reporter: well according to the nypd, the people who entered hamilton hall absolutely did. they are planning trespassing and other charges. minor felonies so the students involved in that could be facing very serious legal consequences.

we know from the university that they plan to expel students inside hamilton hall and part of the breach last night, but we also know there is a possibility that there are these outside actors who may be facing serious charges, but may have nothing to do with columbia at all. that is unsettling for students on all sides, hearing there maybe this element on campus. people they don't know, have any familiarity or access to, that they may have been co- opting in a way what has otherwise been, day after day, a fairly peaceful protest. most of what we have seen in terms of the encampment and the actions they've done there. the students built a library. they invited faculty to give talks in the encampment. this has been peaceful and there is a feeling even from the pro-palestinian students who were advocating for students to have their voices heard and to continue the process, there is this feeling that things have gone really far, who is responsible for this and how did this campus

get out of control? >> how much has this taken over campus life? our classes still going on? >> reporter: no, there were virtual options today. students are literally, right now, barricaded into their dorm rooms. they can't even walk to go get themselves food. student reporters trying to access the studio in which they broadcast their radio shows or meet with each other, they are reporting they can't even get into spaces they typically have complete ownership over. that is how locked down things have been. night after night there have been protests on the street. people have been in public having their voices heard, but tonight, a very large public protest behind me here was dispersed. an audio message from the nypd went out making it clear that anyone who stayed near as they got ready to move in was going to be risking arrest. so what we had was hundreds of people on every side pushing in front of businesses, residential homes and apartment buildings, screaming shame on you. screaming at the nypd all night

and refusing to leave this space. we saw, around the corner, another corner of campus, that some of the people out on the street were even part of those arrested this evening. those numbers, that is reflective of a much larger, chaotic scene on campus. only about 40 of those people are confirmed to be actual protesters in the hall itself. >> my goodness. antonia hylton, thank you for being there. i'm glad you are safe. i want to bring in carmen best, retired seattle police chief. a former member of obama's task force on 21st-century policing and former public safety director for dekalb county, georgia. both are msnbc law enforcement analyst. and former hostage negotiator jim kavanaugh. help us out. obviously we could not see what was happening inside that building. could you give us an idea of what police were doing? >> from all indication i think

we probably can do a little deductive reasoning and make some real good prediction or assumptions in terms of their approach. once they were inside i'm quite sure they were looking for those who were involved in overtaking that building. a couple dozen or so and i am quite sure they went through each floor of that building, as well, too, to make sure that building was secure. so i think we should all be very thankful for the fact that it appears to have ended tonight without incident, but they enter into that building and we saw it from the ground and they went upstairs, as well, through some elevation. but it appeared to have secured the scene safely for everyone and without incident. >> chief best, as you look at the video tonight, what stands out to you about how the nypd is responding?

>> well, i felt a lot of empathy for everyone involved. this is reminiscent of the protest post george floyd in 2020 where several people occupied in seattle with 10 send a lot of the chaos that went on there. look, at some point while you want to protect everyone's first amendment, free speech. i sent two daughters away to college and i can only imagine what the parents of those students who are, in many ways being threatened or feel unsafe at school, how they are feeling about their children. no officer, myself included when i was an officer, wants to take young people to jail, but there does have to come a point where there does have to be effective rule of law and it cannot be chaos and pandemonium. so in some instances, while these are not pleasant for anybody, you know, action needs to be taken.

as you can see the officers are being slow, methodical, and trying to take the students out that they have to arrest and removed from the scene. >> jim, i know i am asking you to make a best guess, but from a police standpoint, why move in now at 9:00 at night? especially when columbia said it made the decision to make this a law enforcement matter early this morning. >> well, the nypd has to gather forces. they have to make a strategic plan. you saw that they brought out a phalanx of officers. they secured the area around the building in question that was seized by the protesters. they brought in the emergency service unit and the vehicle with a hydraulic ramp. they bypassed the barricade on the first floor that protesters had probably barricaded all of the entrances.

the intelligence officers knew that. he used the vehicle to enter the second floor. they put a whole lot of officers in there to bypass the barricades and make the arrests and work up the floors to the top floor, which was kind of the control center of the protesters. and they fought through some barricades there, they described, and turned over soda machines and couches and so forth and made the arrests. then they went out and took down the tent city that was in the grassy area. so a very good strategic plan. very methodical, very professional. this is how we want america's police to look. this is how we want them to act. now we also support free speech and the students voices are heard. they have been on the news for a week or more, but breaking into buildings, breaking windows, threatening to burn the buildings down, you know, this is burglary and breaking and entering and threats of arson. you know, the police have to get their plan and move. there is no great timing to it.

it is not a residence, per se, and people know they are coming. at night, as you know, being a new york resident it is kind of free of traffic around that time, so it could be a good time rather than clogging up all the streets. so i think the nypd gets an a+ on this and we did see, by the way, in closing, the other day when lapd brought out their special unit and did the same thing. an overwhelming show of officers. they peacefully surrounded, carefully, slowly, the encampment of the officers -- the protesters on the quad and one by one they arrested, one at a time, and walked them to the police vans. very slow and did a great job. that was lapd the other day. this is nypd today. so i think this is a very good example of how we have to do this. now protesters, you know it's

going to go on, but as long as the violence and danger is gone for a while, that is what they are paid to do, so i give them an a+. >> they call them law enforcement because it is their job to enforce the law. how do they deal with this mix that supposedly there are outside agitators and this is a campus building met -- building meant for students? >> we have seen a number of these types in recent years. following the death of george floyd and even at columbia where you have outside sources who are not affiliated with the city, with the university, and their job often times, solely, is to continue this type of unrest in those communities. they have to be dealt with specifically and i am quite sure they will be identified. some of them may have history of doing this. some of them this may be the first time they have been involved in these types of

incidents, but they are right -- they are identified. nypd has already indicated they are certain there have been individuals from outside the city, outside the university community who were involved in keeping this unrest going. >> all right, thank you all so much. i appreciate you helping us out tonight. we will stay on top of this breaking news at columbia university, but we also want to get to the other big story of the day. when we return we are breaking down donald trump's intent stay in the courtroom. a key witness takes the stand as the former president gets in big trouble for violating his gag order. "the 11th hour" just getting underway on a very busy tuesday night here in new york city.

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donald trump was back in court for week two of testimony in his new york criminal trial. today a critical witness took the stand, the former attorney for stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, who took the jury inside the catch and kill deals. the day began with judge merchan holding the former president in contempt of court for several violations of the gag order and threatening him with jail time. laura jarrett has the latest. tonight, former president

trump hit with a $9000 fine at his trial, with the judge finding multiple violations of the gag order. now threatening to throw him behind bars, saying jail may be a necessary punishment in the future. mr. trump's attorneys argued it is unfair to hold him accountable for reposting criticism others of voiced and that certain witnesses like michael cohen frequently attack mr. trump. the presumptive nominee later deleting the nine posts about cohen and stormy daniels that landed him in hot water. >> this gag order is totally unconstitutional. i am the republican candidate for president of the united states. there is no crime. there is no anything here. >> reporter: the former president joined in court today by son eric, the first family member to attend. the prosecution calling keith davidson, the lawyer who represented daniels and karen mcdougal, two women who say

they had sex with mr. trump, which he denied. mr. trump is charged with a low level felony, falsifying business records, over reimbursements to cohen , who allegedly made the payments. davidson testifying that after the release of the access hollywood tape interest in what daniels had to say reached a crescendo, but davidson only testified about dealings with cohen, not offering evidence of mr. trump's knowledge of the plans. >> or resumes on thursday and there will be another hearing on the alleged gag order violation. with that let's bring in our panel. conservative lawyer george conway, who was in the courtroom today. he is actually wearing a jacket. he is also a contributing writer at the atlantic. also a former assistant district attorney with the manhattan district attorney's office. she is now an msnbc legal analyst. and a department of justice veteran and former act solicitor general. you were our eyes and ears in

the courtroom today. what stood out to you? >> there was not much said about the gag order. it was a written opinion and we didn't have the judge read it in court other than to say i ruled the nine out of 10 for the prosecution. >> why didn't he read it? >> because he wanted to get straight to the trial and a lot of the stuff we just heard about what was in the opinion we did not actually here in open court. that obviously was very significant, because he will have more to say on this next week when the second round or third round actually of gag order violations is going to be discussed and i think it is already significant. he mentioned the possibility of jail and is not going to impose it for the next series of events because it occurred before he issued this opinion. i think of i had to guess he is probably going to reiterate next week and rule more quickly next week because these

violations were a piece of the nine or 10 he upheld. the next time, i would do that. i think the next time you are running the risk. this is it. you violated this 13 times or whatever. whatever the number is going to be. and you know he does not have to throw the guy in the clink for the entire trial. he can just say a couple of hours and see how you like it and if you do it again, go in for four or five hours and so on and so forth. donald trump would be unwise to test that out. i mean he is talking about all of the supporters. even today after he is complaining about how the supporters were not able to get in, and there is nothing obstructing his people to get in. i think he grossly overstate this support against the court. >> what do we think about where

the gag order is going? could donald trump find himself in a timeout? >> i think so. i think the first thing to say is today's decision really underscores how accustomed we are to donald trump's involvement in criminal proceedings. a really enormous thing happened today. a former president of the united states was held in contempt of court and a felony criminal trial. 10 years ago that would've been unthinkable and here it is like another tuesday and i think that the judge was actually quite protective of trump. i am surprised. not surprised, but i think the judge should've gone further and imposed a criminal sentence and suspended it, so he would not have to serve it and could warn trump and say this is the consequence of what you are doing and jail is on the table next time. the warning today is something somewhat similar to it, but my fear is donald trump is just going to do it again. he seems totally consumed by

his need to attack witnesses and attack the prosecutor and you know indeed if trump didn't stay up every night tweeting about the witnesses and prosecutors, maybe he would be able to stay awake during his trial. >> susan, give us a history lesson because this is not just a payoff to cover up an extramarital affair. the infamous access hollywood tape emerged one month before the 2016 election. can you remind us why this has become so relevant in this trial? >> that's right. you make a good point. we thought when the access hollywood tape appeared before the election and there was dramatic testimony about this in the courtroom today, that this was going to be the end of donald trump's presidential campaign and that, in fact, is what the witness testified. there are some amazing text messages from 2016 in which he basically said donald trump is screwed. that is not the word he used,

but this game is over and it was not over. the legal theory that is now being presented in this manhattan courtroom is that in fact it was the effort to cover up the stories from emerging to the voters in 2016 that was the theory of the case that was why donald trump and michael cohen were acting to buy stormy daniels' story. that is at the heart of the cases right now, but these allegations about donald trump and not just stormy daniels, but another woman, karen mcdougal, goes all the way back to 2011 and that is the evidence they are hearing in the courtroom right now. >> and the timeline matters because the jury saw this video of trump himself denying allegations from women who publicly accused him of sexual assault after the access hollywood tape emerged. watch this. >> they are trying to poison the mind of the american voter. every woman lied when they came

forward to hurt my campaign. >> if 5% of the people think it is true and maybe 10%, we don't win. >> how effective do you think that was? >> very effective for the prosecution. first of all the executive assistant said trump had ms. daniels contact information and even believed she saw ms. daniels in the waiting area, so his denial of knowing either of them is false. if he takes the stand, and he won't, but let's say he did, this would be a way to attack his credibility. his lawyers now can't say, in summation, he has never met these women. here he is on tape, basically testifying to the jury in the way that the prosecution wants the jury to see him. >> george, reportedly donald trump is not happy with his lawyer, todd blanche. he is not following his

instructions and he wants to have his own, a hardcharging lawyer, so hardcharging that he was eventually disbarred. shouldn't this be a moment, i can't even believe i'm asking this, where trump says i am a criminal defendant, i better listen to a lawyer? >> it is astonishing. he manages to create chaos wherever he goes. he manages to create chaos among his legal teams whenever he has a new legal team. it will be a big mistake to get rid of blanche. he did not exactly cover himself with glory and the argument about the gag order, but it was not blanche's fault. basically he was stuck up there defending the indefensible thanks to donald trump. and today, blanche is put in this impossible position. he spent a lot of time cross- examining the bank witness from first republic and was really quite pointless. there was a lot of rehashing. i

am speculating that the reason there was this lengthy, pointless cross-examination was to make donald trump happy, but the fact of the matter is the cross i would've asked would be questions. you never talked to donald trump. you don't know what donald trump told michael cohen to do. you have no basis to conclude that donald trump told michael cohen to lie to you and to the bank about what these companies and payments were for and that would've been the cross. >> watch out, when he fires todd blanche he might look to hire you. >> i don't think so. >> i think everyone including donald trump should have access to a great lawyer. it makes the system better, but i think it is very important for someone like trump to have a lawyer who is independent enough to tell his client when he is over the line, as he has been when for example violating the gag order. i don't know blanche, but he

has an impossible task. donald trump is any lawyer's client from hell. he has strong and wrong opinions and neither of those attributes in themselves to a strong defense, which is why sooner or later almost every lawyer who works for donald trump seems to be under indictment, like eastman or jeffrey clark or rudy giuliani or they quit. just today another law firm which had represented trump for a long time sought to withdraw from their case. representing trump. the list goes on and on. >> catherine, i have to ask about something else. harvey weinstein will be in court tomorrow in new york. his new york conviction was overturned. can you explain where things stand? >> well, he will get a new trial. the court of appeals did not say he was innocent, did not say he was a good guy. said the trial judge made

mistakes. allowed the prosecutors to put too much prejudicial information before the jury. you are only allowed to impeach, attack someone's credibility on cross-examination for prior bad acts that goes to their credibility. the trial judge did not. basically allowed everything the prosecutor wanted to add. >> can he go free until this trial? >> no, his lawyers will probably request bail be set. that judge is no longer a judge and will not set bail, so he's going to stay there. remember he was convicted in california, too. he has a whole other case. yes there will be a do over, but he's not going anywhere. >> susan, i owe you an apology. i'm out of time. i have to ask quickly, george, did trump see you in the courtroom today? you guys know each other. >> he did. >> he did? and?

>> it was like the 11:00 break and he was walking down the center aisle to go to break and i happened to have a seat on the aisle on the right-hand side and i am just sitting there and he is walking toward me and then he looks and sees me and gives me this i. i kind of just -- i did not wave. i thought about doing the finger heart thing, but that would've been too much. >> but no words were exchanged? >> no, i give him a little grin and he walked off. i didn't do anything. we are both very well behaved people. >> that is not true of either of you. >> susie, i'm sorry we didn't have more time. always good to have you here. when we come back we will head back to columbia's campus where police entered hamilton hall and have taken protesters in the custody. the latest on this story when "the 11th hour" continues. ues

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we are following breaking news this evening. the new york police department says about 100 people have been arrested at columbia university after demonstrators broke into a campus building overnight. police say the tent encampment on the university's south lawn has also been cleared. we are back with nbc news correspondent antonia hylton outside campus. tell us, what is the scene there right now and help us understand the significance of hamilton hall?

why did demonstrators choose to break into that building? >> reporter: right now it is eerily quiet and you are looking at the aftermath. a couple dozen officers hanging out outside. the massive crane that had been used by officers to enter through a window, that is gone now. we watched buses and buses of protesters getting carded downtown and facing charges. they are gone now, but we are hearing from people that they are still barricaded in their dorm rooms. student journalists are barricaded in their newsrooms, unable to travel freely on their campus. so that feeling of tension and in some cases fear is still very much present. you know, this is a very symbolic moment and a very symbolic space. because of the parallels between what is happening right now and 1968. hamilton hall is a critically important space here at columbia and not just because classes are held here.

administrators and faculty have offices in this space and students have come to know and love this building. also it has been a focal point for protests in the vietnam war and again in the 80s and 90s. students have used it much in the same way we saw protesters use it last night. they enter, they barricaded themselves back in the 1960s and then after several days the nypd moved in and in some cases there was sort of this similar scene playing out. in their case it was hundreds of people arrested and at one point, you know, even ransacked a dean's office. there are these kind of immediate, obvious, physical parallels here, but i think it is also a strategic one where the people behind this movement at columbia, they want you to compare what is happening right now. the questions, the concerns,

the sadness that many americans feel about the current conflict unfolding in israel and gaza. they want you to draw parallels to the moment in 1968 and the moral questions students were raising back then. what better way in their view than to use this building that is already seen is this space? when you enroll and become a student here, you are taught about the protests that happened in this hall. often people celebrate those movements, even though in the moment if you look at the coverage of what happened in 1968, protesters were not celebrated at that time. the university looks back on them fondly. oftentimes what protesters have been telling friends and classmates in the encampment is that in the long run you will be looked at as the good guys. we may be criticized for what we have done here, but ultimately this is a step to bring attention, to talk about something happening on a global stage. so you know we will see how

people feel when the morning comes now, but the weight of the pressure and nationalize on columbia is present right now. >> thank you so much for joining. i appreciate it. when we return, project 2025 has laid out what they want in a second trump term, but now we are hearing straight from his mouth in a very revealing interview with time magazine. the editor-in-chief joins us next when "the 11th hour" continues. continues. keep those expectations with reliable ground shipping. thanks brandon. with usps ground advantage®. ♪♪ everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it's a great product. it's going to help a lot of patients. i have moderate to severe crohn's disease. now, there's skyrizi.

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there has been a lot of speculation about what a second trump term could look like, but in a sprawling interview with time magazine, the former guy said exactly what he wants to do if he wins. that includes, are you ready for this? allowing red states to prosecute women who violate abortion bands. firing any u.s. attorney who refuses to carry out his orders to prosecute someone and a mass deportation program led by the military at the border and inside the u.s. if these things sound familiar it could be because they line up with the priorities of project 2025, the far right programs stacked with trump allies who have rewritten the playbook for a second term. here is a passage from the plan. prioritizing border security and immigration enforcement

including detention and deportation is critical if we are to regain control of the border, repair the historic damage done by the biden administration. for more on this i want to welcome time magazine editor-in- chief, sam jacobs. this is a stunning piece. what stood out to me most, trump said he was too nice when he was president. he did not get done what he wanted to do. so how should we think of how he will conduct himself if he were to become president again? >> thank you -- >> because not a lot of people would call those four years mister nice guy time. >> i think that is the important thing about the moment we are experiencing right now. we keep looking backward. backw daily conversation about the trial. all ha is standing in the way of getting a clear vision of what the president, former president says he would do if he were our next president. >> isn't that maybe why he

would want to sit down and give you 90 minutes, two days before his trial starts? why? because here we are talking about the vision donald trump will have instead of us talking about donald trump, criminal defendant facing 80 plus charges. >> that's the man who will be on the ballot. of service to our readers. here is what erthe president himself says is going to happen. >> the former president. >> the former president. he remains a president just like we would say president t obama. >> but when we say the president, the president is joe biden. how the context has changed day

after day. you can look at the courts and congress, and the people who are surrounding him in his administration. he didn't have a team of rivals coming in when he entered the white house in 2016 but he did have people who came from completely different regions of the republican party. look today at the people coming with him. he has a g completely different set of ideas. project 25, we are seeing an intellectual and legal framework built around the former president. building an entire conception of what it would take for him to get done what he wants to get done. >> we talk about project 2025 almost every night. it is not an official trump document and it has not been endorsed by him. but based on everything he said in this interview, does it seems like his goals are directly aligned with what it say ins the 900 pages which are

as far right and christianalalist as it gets. >> i would say donald trump's goals are aligned with donald trump and there are now people situated, the steven millers of the world who spent a long time figuring out how can we best enact that vision. that is very different from the environment we saw while he was in the white house. >> yes, but donald trump changes depending on who is supporting him. donald itrump was once a democrat. donald trump was once loose and had an open view on abortion. now look at him. so donald trump changes based d on who will get him in office. >> and it changes basing on the people around him. this is very different. >> he talked about firing u.s. attorneys who will not, who ot won't, excuse me. he talked about firing u.s. fi attorneys who are unwilling to prosecute people that he wants to see prosecuted.

what does that look like? >> you look at enforcement of impoundment. they could have a ehuge impact on the policies and politics of our government. and donald trump spent a long time and the people around him trying to figure out how to do it. so we call them the rise of what would be an imperial presidency. his theory of the presidency and the people around him and what they want to do with it is different than what we have seen since nixon. and what they think they can do is completely rewrite the rules of how the president has worked. what he wants to get done, understand he has an ability to put this vision into place he in hasn't before. >> what was so interesting

today. does trump's team seem to be pushing out the content as well as the biden campaign? >> i think the interview is a rorschach test and shows where d everyone is along the spectrum and gives everyone an opportunity. hillary clinton shared this as did the trump campaign. look at this interview. and see what it tells you what donald trump would do as president. >> it is a snapshot of our country. take the same piece of information and some people see it one way, and some another. an amazing piece, thank you so much for joining me tonight. i really appreciate it. more of the 11th hour when we return. th hour when we return. care of your insurance claim? that means less stress for you. >> woman: thanks. >> tech: my pleasure. have a good one. >> woman: you too. >> tech: schedule today at safelite.com. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ power e*trade's easy to-use tools make complex trading less complicated.

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an update to the breaking news on columbia university's campus. we are getting our first look inside hamilton hall where demonstrators broke in and barricaded themselves last night. pictures just in show shattered glass. new york city police cleared out the building and arrested 100 demonstrators on campus and cleared the tent encampment on the south lawn. we will continue our coverage tomorrow. it has been a long night. we have a look back on trump's criminal trial next. and from all of our colleagues across