consequences here. hamas believes it can win by turning world opinion against israel and as blinken and biden are trying to negotiate the release of five americans right now that are held hostage, hamas believes time is on their side because they look at this, they look at other campuses, they look at biden pandering to his left, why should they negotiate if they believe time is on their side? you don't hear a peep from the students about "the 5" americans in a tunnel right now held hostage by hamas. and end all the other israelis. congressman, thank you. praise to all the brave law enforcement that successfully did this and under two hours. that's all the time we have left the seasoning. stay tuned for continuing coverage. trace gallagher is next. >> trace: good evening as we continue our breaking news coverage, i'm trace gallagher, 11:00 pm on the east coast, 8:00

in los angeles, this is america's late news "fox news @ night". breaking tonight, as you can see, new york police still all over columbia university, confronting anti-israel protesters as the university clearly has failed to enforce it's own rules and policies for the past three or sew weeks and have therefore allowed the campus to be seized by far left anti-israel agitators who have in all essence terrorized the campus, smashing windows, vandalizing university spaces, even some reports saying they were holding three facility workers against their will. you can see here this is a little earlier, you see police going into hamilton hall. that is a hall that they seized and now we are being told that hamilton hall is clear. but meantime all the jewish students still being told to stay away and most of the buildings remain on lock down. a university wide shelter in place has been sent out and we

should note that some of the protesters have actually moved away from columbia moving maybe or so blocks to the city college of new york. but at columbia, there have been dozens. there's no number yet but at least dozens, may be more than 100 arrests and alexis mcadams is live at columbia, she's been there all night. alexis, it has been quite the night for you. what do you know? >> reporter: hello trace. we can tell you the nypd just told us moments ago they've cleared the encampment that was set up for days right in the middle of columbia university's campus with all those tents, the pro gaza solidarity encampment. you can see the cops over my shoulder. this happens as we've also heard from the nypd that they made dozens of arrests, clearing the protesters out of hamilton hall where they've been since last night after the broken, smashing through the glass with those hammers, and calling on the university to follow their demands. will the university gave them a deadline, that past, they gave

another ultimatum, that past, so what happened? the nypd had to move and into the job. the campus is covered in police presence. you can see right here in front of us. they have riot gear on and they are ready also to respond in case any of these protests in the area get out of control. we saw those cops moving right through the windows. why was that? we are told because the students at hamilton hall had it so heavily barricaded with furniture that they could not even get in, so that's what the nypd had to do, take charge and make those arrests immediately. >> trace: it's interesting because i know you've been on scene and walking around, we've been watching you tonight. it's exceptional work and great coverage. i want to know if you have seen as you have move through, because we can hear the chanting in the background, have you seen any kind of scuffles at all with police in this vicinity? >> reporter: a little bit. around 9:00, when there were so many officers moving in, they were coming in in large shifts.

the protesters were getting upset about that, trying to block. you could see that got these metal blockades in here but they were trying to actually block the police from moving in with their bodies too. as they were doing that the cops were like you guys need to break it up but it did not get too out of hand. but you can still hear the chanting. 11:00 o'clock and counting, you think they would be a little tired but they are not. and so they are out here with their umbrellas as it continues to rain and the nypd is try to move them out too because they don't want any more people around this campus. the university is asking the police to stay with a heavy police presence until graduation because they don't want to give these student protesters another chance to set up more tents because every time they give them a little bit, an inch, they take a mile. they weren't afraid, i'm told, of president minouche shafik. they said what threat, we did not get in trouble. the only time you get in trouble is when the nypd moves in. they handcuffed them, they will book them but they will be out in a matter of hours. >> trace: and they have been

empty threats. we will get back to you as the news warrants, thank you, great coverage. let's bring in columbia student along with former member of israel special operations counterterrorism unit and tv personality and activist, thank you for coming on. i want to bring you in first because we are looking at the live pictures here and you are kind of our ambassador since you go to columbia, you can give us kind of a lay of the land. it's interesting because alexis and all the media was kind of pushed back. they say the encampment has now been cleared of all the protesters and so has hamilton hall but from where we are looking right here, if you look at that screen, how far is the actual encampment away? i know it's in front of the library but about how far is the library from where we are looking at right here? >> not far at all. first of all thank you for having me. it's an unbelievable situation that we've found ourselves in but it is unfortunately the direct result of six months of a complete lack of leadership from columbia university and of course the fault of these pro hamas proterra protesters that

we've seen at columbia. so what we are seeing now, hamilton hall is not far at all from the lawn where the encampment is. it takes about 45 seconds to one minute to get there. this is all in front of butler library. since no one has been allowed on campus, obviously we have not been able to see the footage, however there are several dorms, freshman dorms primarily, that are overlooking the lawn and hamilton hall. we've been seeing on social media, your group chance, a bit of footage but really that's it. >> trace: would there be students in those freshman dorms right now? i know they told a lot of the jewish students to go back. there's a reason you are here in california and not back at columbia. would there be some students in the freshman dorms right now? >> absolutely. i think what is so terrifying is that last night, even though campus was locked down, we saw unaffiliated masked individuals climbing through open windows in those door buildings. there are jewish students that live there that have jewish

identifying objects on their doors, israeli flags, things like that. and so these protesters pose a serious imminent danger not only to those jewish students but to all the students living there. >> trace: when you heard that your classmates and others, we are not saying these are all students, some agitators there, but your classmates had taken over hamilton hall and they had taken over the encampment and the consequences seemed to be few and far between, a lot of threats, a lot of redlines from columbia but very few follow-through is, what were you thinking as this process kind of , as alexis was saying, ebden flowed? clearly we were on the flow side of it tonight. >> that's exactly the issue. columbia has conditioned its students, myself included, to believe that there will be no consequences, that they do not follow through on the words, that they do not follow through with action. and so to be honest it did not come as a complete surprise that protesters were able to it away with vandalizing a building, to

holding several facility members in that building, one for longer than others, but really what we are seeing is a complete abdication of leadership until tonight really. columbia absolutely failed to keep it's students safe and no one wants nypd on campus. no one wants to feel like there is a police presence, but unfortunately columbia and these pro terrorism student protesters and nonaffiliated protesters have put us in this situation. >> trace: eat and mention safety so i want to put your safety had on for us. it's interesting of -- as we have seen, we don't have account yet, but there were at least dozens. we saw the busses, the busloads the look protesters being led away, some of them had plastic wrapped around their hands and so forth and so on but we don't know the exact number. it was a lot. it could be more than 100, it could be less. we don't know but when they take them up and take them away and we know as eden and alexis pointed out, they will be out in

a flash, is that a safety concern? in an atmosphere like this, should they be held a little longer? >> will the whole situation is complex. let me back it up to seeing the emergency services unit, those are the guys who physically made entry into the second floor of hamilton hall. the reason they did that was because the main entrance was blocked. we call that an unconventional entry. entry. you can see the swat team with weapons, mindful about student safety. nypd is fantastic at this kind of thing. as far as the amount of students, i would suspect over 100 they took into custody. there will probably be no teeth on those laws. we haven't crossed into the antiterrorism or breaking the antiterrorism law space. the reason why is because they are calling these protesters protesters even though they are inciting violent antisemitic pro hamas propaganda. there are a lot of red flags, had this not been connected to these riots which have been popping up sub --

systematically. a couple of years ago you would not have seen the antiterrorism act being thrown into their faces. there's no teeth, they get back out onto the street. you have to put the hammer on this like president trump said when he was talking to sean which is you have to put these threats down immediately because of the danger of the incitement, which is the optic that we are looking at, that i'm seeing this as an israeli counterterrorism guy which is what does the incitement lead to? this is just new york. we are talking about texas, florida, toronto, california, ucla. but israel stands with the nypd. israel stands with u.s. law enforcement around the country and israel will be sharing any information that we can on the intelligent side to be able to provide any type of diffusion through that intelligence osmosis to try to figure out the genesis of this. but what this comes down to in

my opinion, nypd was fed up, it had it up to here with these kids and i think this isn't just threats to the jewish community, i think this is -- if i was to profile this through my lens, we are looking at an anti-american uprising here that has hijacked the palestinians and stack them on top of their cause through this marxist just rocked of educational thing that's been cooking for who knows how long, a decade, and law enforcement and the leaders, they need to allow law enforcement to get in there safely and put every one of these down. it only goes up and gets worse. >> trace: and aaron cohen talks about allowances, emily, and this really was one big allowance. i was talking to eden earlier about the number of redlines they sent down. there were times you have to move, you will be expelled, arrested, you will be this, you will be that. all of these things blue right through and now as we look at

this thing, they had to bring the nypd and they are saying they want the nypd presence to be on columbia campus until may 17th at the earliest, so they are going to be there for a while. i think graduation, eden, is the 15th so they are going to be therethrough graduation, emily austin, your thoughts? >> you hit it nail on the head because what's unfolded the past few days have shown me that this is a student arrogance. these student rioters think they are about the law, they think that they are exempt from the consequences, they always play the victim card. they don't feel like they have to follow the law and order because, like alexis said, they are being, you know, detained but merely in a few hours they will be released and back to the usual program of promoting terrorism on to campus. but what i find interesting is that these students have no fear of the consequences. is all the videos that were played earlier of them getting on the bus, being taken away,

they were flushing peace signs, they were still screaming, still assaulting the officers and it's almost as if they don't fear consequences, so this social me that the war exceeds what's going on in the middle east. it exceeds what's happening in gaza and israel, this is a war on democracy, it's a war on capitalism, it's a war on law and order and it's a war on everything pretty much, their moral compass is so misaligned and they will go as far as they are allowed. the fact that it took the nypd this long to get to campus to protect these jewish students showed them and set the wrong tone, basically telling them we will not intervene in your promotion of terrorism on campus so don't expect this to get worse if the authorities allow it to get worse. >> i want to update our audience on some of trace: the news, these are live images of columbia university and i want to update now on social media some of the reactions we've gotten. students for justice in palestine posted on x, if we can put this on the screen, this would be -- columbia university has called

the cops onto it's own students for the second time and two weeks. on the 56th anniversary of when they last called the police not to campus to arrest over 700 protesting the vietnam war and harlem gentrification on april 30th of 1968. eden yadegar, you look at this and think they are trying to flip the narrative, trying to play the victim, play the martyr in this thing. like listen we were doing nothing but peaceful. no, you broke into a university building, you had some violent tendencies, you were putting up flags, you were anti-semitic and you were forcing jewish students to stay away from their campus while you took control of the campus. >> absolutely. i think it is disgraceful that these protesters are aligning themselves and conflating themselves with an antiwar movement when they are promoting more and promoting violence against not just jewish students anymore but across campus. many of my non-jewish friends also don't feel safe on campus

because this is no longer just a jewish issue, this is an american issue and it is deeply anti-american and antidemocratic the fact that these protesters are no longer even calling for a cease-fire but calling for a intifada, violent uprising against israelis, oling for the destruction of the israeli state, they are conflating themselves with an antiwar movement when they are absolutely not antiwar and not pro- peace like they claim to be >> trace: do you think, eden, that these students know from where they speak? do you think they know what they are talking about? we've interviewed them, we will play in a bit, but we were out there today asking questions and they had a response which is i don't believe that narrative when any question was asked. but if you ask deeper questions, they have no idea what they are talking about. do you believe this was just, you know, one of those fashionable things to do? >> i think that's a big part of it. but look, it's been six months. ignorance is no longer an excuse to promote violence, to be

anti-semitic, to be racist, because that is the essence of what it means to be anti-semitic, it's absolutely racism against jewish people and so i don't think ignorance is an excuse. i think that a lot of these students are actually not alien tensioned. i don't think that they may be all realize that they are calling for genocide, but when i as a jewish person tell them that that is what they are promoting and they refused to listen and refused to here me, i can't continue to excuse it. >> trace: it's interesting, you talk about safety, aaron, and as we keep looking live at columbia university, we talked about the fact this is happening in florida, texas, arizona, california, the list goes on, but now at ucla we just got an update, ucla is starting to bring down the hammer a little bit. ucla was every bit as lenient, at least by our gage, as columbia was, really not doing

enough to be able to control these anti-semitic anti-israel things that were happening on campus over the past couple of weeks. the ucla update is, they are saying for nonucla affiliates, be aware your presence on campus as a nonaffiliate engaged in an encampment violates the law, constitutes criminal behavior subject to misdemeanor charges, going on to say, any sign or flag must be smaller than 30 by 30 inches and on a poll shorter than 18 inches. no masking or camping is allowed it is a crime willfully... who are performing their official duties and nonucla persons are notified to leave the encampment and depart the campus immediately. a couple of things, the no masking. it's been a big point of contention for a lot of people around the country because they are wearing masks because they do not want to be identified and it's one of those things like hey, we are just following up on covid. no you are not. what are your thoughts? >> i've got a couple different pieces to this.

first i want to say that i believe that even though these kids -- there's this likeness i keep seeing in the profiles, and putting this together in my head, if you like these events are highly organized. i know there was a career anarchist protester who was out there in new york leading the charge at hamilton for what happened on that campus, so this seems to be professionally organized and funded. the kids being quiet means to me that there is a very specific chain of command and leadership structure. you notice people have tried to infiltrate the campuses and they are not getting much from these kids, they are just kind of staring there blankly. i think that's by order. it is a concern because it almost feels like a play out of the hamas playbook which is this victimization, taking these narratives, spinning them back.

people are sitting here going what is going on? it feels like a bunch of nonsense but it feels coordinated. as far as ucla, i feel like they are late to the game, i feel like it's for liability reasons but if you don't let you cpd off the leash and get lapd in there and shut these things down, my concern with a law enforcement cap on is that these are going to continue to escalate, which is where it gets dangerous. those mass bodies of people is where terrorists attacked. even if it's not these kids setting something off, it could be some random actor who's a zealot and decides to jump into the game, produce a firearm and open fire into a crowd. there are so many pieces that nypd and all the other agencies are dealing with, these dozens of protests popping up, there's a lot of counterterrorism red flags. >> trace: i talked to a law-enforcement officer yesterday who said he surprised that so far these protests, there hasn't been some sort of attack on some of the protesters

because there has been so much back and forth and so much pushback and so much hateful rhetoric being spewed. a surprise there was not an attack, but it is as you say only a matter of time before something somewhere, even if it's some person being targeted, something somewhere is going to happen. >> it only goes up from here. israel stands behind u.s. law enforcement. i've been teaching is really methodology for active shooter response, hostage rescue for swat teams for almost 20 years and the crowds are the most dangerous thing. it's like trying to take a knife and dip it into 1000 answer and pull out that one pad and. it's a lot of things to look at. nypd is exhausted. i just got off the phone with a captain i've known for years and he says they are tired of these kids, they are tired of it. i think it was a sense of relief or nypd to go in. but as this continues to expand, as the rhetoric continues and the incitement continues, it's a

systematic at this point. but i just feel like this is a larger issue targeting the american system and they are using the palestinian cause to piggyback their nonsensical glazed over beliefs in order to start mass anarchy and i think this is the precipice. that's why we have to get on it quickly. >> trace: i want to set the scene and i will bring emily austin back and quickly and then we will bring in nicole parker. but we have one camera and basically what they've done, and they did this several hours ago, is the police said okay the media will be consigned to this spot and that's where they are. you can't go around to the encampment, you can't go around to the library, you are where you are right here and alexis mcadams has been kind of walking around giving us a feel here and you can't really here because the chanting has died down but what you are not seeing is that 20 blocks away, 20 blocks north at city college of new york, we are being told that is where a

lot of these protesters who left columbia went up, they went to the 20 blocks and they are now on city college of new york territory. we are working our way up there, we do have cameras and we are getting video, trying to turn it around for you right now, but if some of those protests have -- -- we were told that those were a bit more contentious. but you use this cause in the middle east to push forward your agenda, we've said this and many have really repeated this where you have these protesters and a lot of them appear to be the same type of protesters we saw during the george floyd protest and they have changed the chanting. it's no longer no peas no justice or no trust is, no. it's now genocide joe and to like. so what is happening here is it's a new location, a lot of the same crowd that moves into these things. >> trace, i will not by into the gas lighting that this is about

israel anymore because i know these students don't know anything about the conflict in the middle east. i want to echo some of aaron's points because they were spot on. these are heavily funded heavily coordinated thoroughly planned sequences of events that we see happening. i don't know if you paid attention to the encampments but they are 500-dollar copy paste north face tents that are being spread out. as a college student, i'm well aware that a lot of my classmates are not willingly going out to purchase $500 tents but of course if someone is funding it, why not? another point had like to echo is that the students face no fear of the consequences of missing classes. not worried about passing or failing your class. but clearly there is something bigger that is motivating them. erin mentioned the hamas playbook. current -- correct me if i'm wrong but i heard they took three employees and held them hostage. if that's not a move straight out of hamas' playbook i don't know what is but i think it's

worthwhile to investigate and heavily investigate as to who is funding these. it is something that is worth looking into. >> trace: just to go back to the hostage thing, we don't know. i mean we heard reports of three employees were delayed or blocked for a little bit, detained, we don't know that any of them were held for any period of time at all, just to kind of move forward here i want to bring in former fbi special agent in fox news contributor nicole parker. to you, as you watch this go on tonight, what was the staging process for nypd? aaron cohen says they are tired. they look tired. now columbia has said they want these officers to be out there until may 17th which is past graduation. what's the staging effort at the college tonight at columbia? >> well right now i think nypd is quite frankly relieved that they were able to get onto the scene because this should have happened a long time ago. we know that the longer you do not involve law enforcement, the

more this will spin out of control and it's been out of control and then it becomes more dangerous for law enforcement and for those involved. so thank you so much nypd for getting in there and doing your job when you were permitted to, but you are right, this will be a long haul. nypd is a large police department, they are the finest and the best i believe and they are up for this task. the key is to let them do their job. if you just let them do their job, those entrusted to enforce the law, this would not be happening. let's look back at december of 2020. you brought up a good point, trace. the summer of 2020, a lot of these same individuals were out there, probably, either participating in these protests or riots or they were observing it from afar. and they saw that there were no consequences. cities were taken over, in seattle they set up and no one

was permitted to come in. there were no consequences, it spun out of control, our cities burned to the ground. that cannot happen again and thank goodness for the states that have said no, that will not be tolerated, this is going to end now. thank goodness that nypd was permitted to do their job. and isn't it interesting that all of a sudden they are being asked to stay through may 17th? there's another point had like to bring up as a former fbi agent and how this might be looked at by the department of justice. title vi of the civil rights act of 1964, i will quote directly from the doj's website, no person in the united states shall on the ground of race, color or national origin be excluded from participation in, be denied benefits of or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving federal financial assistance. that's straight from doj's website. i guarantee you columbia is

receiving federal financial assistance. in fact approximately 30 federal agencies provide federal financial assistance in the form of funds, training, technical and other support to institutions such as columbia or edgewood -- educational institutions. for anyone who feels that they have been a victim of this, i would strongly urge that you call the fbi. they claim to support all american citizens and call fbi, explain to them how you believe you may have been a victim of this and let's see what happens because you have rights to be protected. jewish students should not feel terrorized, they should not feel that they cannot go to school safely and they should not be denied rights. that is the civil rights act of 1964 title vi. >> trace: and speaking to eden yadegar, you are a jewish student who came home because of this. i know it was a break and that you may go back but it's great context in good perspective for you to kind of give us the whole idea if you felt unsafe and if

you felt like, you know, these things could just snowball out of control like nicole was saying, and for your friends, your classmates who are also jewish, who either state or left and why they did or did not a lot of decisions have to be made, but nobody can argue that you and many of your classmates were pushed off campus and the university itself just kind of said you know what this is probably the best way to handle it, to take away your right to an education at that point in time. we think this is the best way to handle it because we don't want to confront the people who are doing what we see on the screen. >> absolutely. i mean it was a complete admission of failure on behalf of our university leadership. as i said, they completely abdicated control of columbia to an agri- mom. to me that's the definition of failure. their job, there number 1 priority is to educate -- angry mob -- and they could not do that because they could not keep students safe, they could not keep students on campus. today we had a full campus lockdown back nobody was allowed

on campus except for those living in dorms within the gates. and so as you mentioned, many jewish students feel unsafe and have been made unsafe but also many non-jewish students have been made unsafe and have been denied access to their education as a result of this angry anti-israel anti-american mob. i think it is, you know, a gross misunderstanding to even call them pro- palestinian because they have proven that their priorities do not lie with, you know, bringing about justice as they claim to the palestinian people. they negotiated with the university and the university actually offered to invest in displaced academics, in healthcare and in education in the gaza strip and they rejected it. and i for the life of me cannot understand why someone that cares about the future of palestinians and israelis, like myself and the majority of my jewish peers, would reject an offer like that. >> trace: and then bring back aaron cohen, a lot of people

have said well -- i hear all these, you know, the israel needs to do this and they need to do that and they need the cease-fire and nobody is calling for hamas to surrender, nobody has said anything to me, none of the students have said we need to get these hostages home. nobody has said that. at least that i've heard. i haven't heard one student say we need to get those hostages home and we need hamas to surrender, we need to get this thing over with. what do you think? >> we have an expression in hebrew which means there's no backwards and counterterror. what you see here is terrorism moving forward. whether it's purely anti-american, marxism, fake rhetoric, the fact is that israel is going to prepare for an operation in rafah. they are going to be really working on making sure that they can move civilians into -- because there are terrorists embedded their. israel is looking at around

right now. israel just assassinated another irg seat leader which wasn't talked about, they did it quietly. it was israel's famous intelligence unit. israel has tons of work to do and it's really difficult when i see the prime minister, it's difficult for me when i see him talking to the americans saying that, you know, we stand with you and it's terrible what's happening on these campuses but the world needs to listen to israel. the reason why is because what we are seeing unfolding on these campuses right now, israel has been dealing with that type of rhetoric for 75 years. so i believe that this is a leadership issue from the core. it needs to start from the white house and the leaders need to allow law enforcement to get off the ramps, do what nypd did tonight, like nicole said, u.s. law enforcement is the finest and it's time to put all of this nonsense down before it escalates into something worse.

>> trace: i'm going to bring in nicole parker and morgan ortega but that video we were shown a little earlier that had the new york police going into hamilton hall, kind of going through that window, if we could kind of just rewind a and rack them up and play that, nicole parker, as you watch this, you probably saw it a few seconds ago, is what happens is, there's the video and i wonder, nicole, as you look at this video, i mean it's a delicate situation because these police officers, as they go in those windows, they are not really sure what's on the other side. i know that these students or protesters or a combination of both held hamilton hall, but these nypd officers did not initially going in have an idea of what was on the other side, what was to meet them on the other side and i think that is somewhat of a bit of a tenuous

situation to be in. >> it's extremely vulnerable. that is the most vulnerable situation a law enforcement can be put in. you do not know what is on the other side of that door and toby have to -- to have to be crawling through a window. i did a lot of takedowns, i was never happy to crawl through a window. talk about dangerous. they had no idea what they were going to be coming across, if there would be weapons, hundreds of people, 20 people. that is extremely dangerous but they did it and they willingly did it. they crawled into the window, they took the threat, they eliminated the threat and, you know, they cleared it out and under two hours. and under two hours, that was cleared out. why did it take that many days? the president of columbia university to get in there and allow nypd to do their job. but we know why because the woke progressive situation in our country has infiltrated many of these universities that are

considered elite. quite frankly i think they are quite dangerous and i would never if i had a child that wanted to attend a school at columbia i would say absolutely not. is a former fbi agent and law enforcement officer i would say absolutely not. it is not safe. they allowed students to be put in danger and unfortunately now they are moving to another university. it has to end. each university they go to, nypd, keep showing up and saying no, this will be tolerated, there will be consequences. it's been noted many times, maybe on the local level there will be consequences but if the fbi does their job and they see anything that could be charged, i've seen it myself, there may be those who are like i'm not afraid of local charges but as soon as the feds come in, they care. quite frankly i sure hope that christopher wright is looking into this and sending agents and has a very close pulse on what's going on because this can't be tolerated. >> trace: nicole parker, standby if you would. you mention the college and we said this earlier, we are kind of looking at the outside of

columbia university. about 20 blocks to the north is city college of new york and this is the quote posted about 30, 40 minutes ago, police tussled with demonstrators of the city college of new york before students retreated back into their encampment while dozens of officers were made on the scene. students there have been given a deadline up before classes begin on wednesday morning to clear out. city college announced earlier on tuesday that classes would be held remotely beginning on wednesday with campus buildings closed except to essential personnel. it is unclear how many people were arrested. now is a good time to bring in former state department spokesperson and polaris national security founder because now we have city college that's also putting down these redlines and we are not clear if they are about to actually follow through on these. it's a lot of you've got until tomorrow and if you don't do it by tomorrow afternoon, we are only giving you until tomorrow night. >> it is a lot of that.

as we are going through this list i keep thinking about the enormous stresses on government officials but especially on the police force and first responders in new york city. remember that according to the new york city mayor, new york is experiencing a migrant crisis. that has been ongoing because of the biden administration's failure of the southern border. so you combine that with the fact, as the woman from the fbi spoke of earlier, the fbi director has testified multiple times before congress this year saying that there are flashing lights pointing to increased potential terrorist attacks against the united states. we know that any time there is a chance for a terrorist attack, new york city is always going to be a target. you have a migrant crisis in new york city, you have a crime crisis, you have terrorism at it's highest level, and now the police force, whenever they have to deal -- the police not feeling appreciated, now they have to deal with what's going

on in these encampment that these universities. i think this is a very dangerous mix for new york city and i'm starting to wonder at what point you have to call in the national guard, at what point does the federal government need to get involved. what we've heard from the white house over the past week our condemnations, we've heard a lot of words but we haven't heard action. the first real action that we've heard from washington, dc really came from speaker johnson today in the house. he got together and said that every committee in the house is going to have a jurisdiction to tackle anti-semitism around the country, that they are going to bring more university professors forward, that they are going to focus on getting more policies in the house that would combat anti-semitism. so you are starting to see action and movement from congress. so far we have a lot of words from the white house but i don't think that we've really seen the support that our major cities are going to need when they are already dealing with record high crime rates and dealing with the

migrant crisis from the southern border." and by the way let's add to terrorism threats on top of it all. it's a recipe for disaster. >> trace: and while i've got you here, we brought you on before the breaking news all happened to talk about what's happening in the international criminal courts, talking about, you know, these warrants, indictments being handed to may be people in israel like benjamin netanyahu and the defense minister over there. and what would this to, morgan, you were involved in diplomacy at the highest levels, what does something like this do? you see hamas, what they did on october 7th, and now they are possibly talking about international war crimes being wielded and thrown at israel's doorstep. >> welt thank you so much for letting me bring this out. i think this is not an issue that's hitting the front pages but it's a very important story. right now it's all speculative, media reports, but it's starting

to gain traction in the media, in the middle east and in the west so we think it's possible. for our audience, what is the icc? the international criminal court. their jurisdiction, what they are supposed to do is go after dictators got despots, not democracies, places like suit on, therefore, where there was a genocide -- sudan, dark for. they are not supposed to be aimed at democracies, countries that have legal port systems, that have legal court systems, that have the ability to prosecute people from within. so in the trump administration, we sanctioned prosecutors and people at the icc because they were trying to go after u.s. soldiers who had fought against the taliban and against al qaeda and isis in afghanistan. and so the secretary said wait a minute, you guys have absolutely no jurisdiction over the united states, we are not a part of the statute, neither is israel, so

the icc is sort of claiming that they have some jurisdiction over israel because they recognize this mythical state of palestine. there is no state of palestine, it's not recognized by the united states, by israel, by the united nations, so why does all of this matter? is just another example where you have an international fora going outside of their mandates and jurisdiction to try and go after the state of israel. it's important, it's incredibly important for republican and democrats and this administration to stand up to the icc, to sanction them to do whatever they must do to stop the icc if they try to issue these arrest warrants because if they try to do it, outside of their jurisdiction, they will try, as they already have, to do it to the united states and to go after our own servicemembers. that is untenable, that's not why the international criminal court was set up and it's massively outside of their jurisdiction. the united states must put a

full stop to this. >> trace: and aaron cohen, you look at that and the repercussions from that and israel of course is concerned and morgan is exactly right, it's outside their jurisdiction but then again you've got donald trump sitting in a new york courtroom and it man had him prosecutor going after him for something that is outside of his jurisdiction and yet somebody somewhere is great to make a big deal of it. some msnbc news organization will say see? we told you israel was guilty of crimes. >> we call it law fare. law weaponized for the purposes of going outside the lines. it's an organized shake down. it's a kangaroo court in my opinion. obviously it's serious and it's been set up to go after war criminals, the real genocide hitters. it's. it's an anti-semitic organization is the only way i can frame it. every military scholar would

testify that israel goes to greater lengths to protect civilians. israel's enemies have pulled support october 7th but we need to get rid of hamas which is what israel's preparing for and then we have a bigger problem which is iran but israel will deal with them as well. it's a price we pay to have a jewish state. we say. [ speaking alternate language ] >> we have a heavy -- pay a heavy price to have a jewish state. israel is focused, benjamin netanyahu said, and i'm sure the consular general would say the same, is that israel always just as everything it can in it's power to be able to reduce civilian casualties. a problem is hamas is hunting down civilians. we know the facts but as you watch these protests, all the narratives keep getting flipped. it's like a concerted pr effort

to stay in israel for something that is greater, but with these glazed kids who really can't even speak to why they are even standing there. the issue is that it becomes like nicole said, the longer we wait in the connection for all these threads, the longer dealership waits here in the united states to put a stop to these protests, these encampments, the more dangerous they will become, and that's my counterterror red flag. >> trace: we talked about this earlier, breaking news coming out of city college, and we know have video. the police said, tussled with demonstrators at city college before students retreated back into their encampments. so what you are seeing right here is he can see, it looks to me like there are some flames. i don't know where that is on the college campus. eden yadegar, trump and if you know or if you recognize any of this, maybe they are just lighting some kind of torches over there, but there was some

more conflict going on at the city college of new york and apparently it lasted for a fair bit of time while everybody was focused on columbia. a lot of the protesters moved up into the city college of new york and if nicole parker is still with us, you talk about resources being very thin. now all of a sudden nypd, says listen i know you guys are climbing in windows in columbia but we need you to head to city college of new york because they are starting some tonsils out there. >> right, i mean they are literally putting out fires. i don't know what that is but it certainly does not look good to see large flames on a college campus. i definitely don't want to have a repeat of december 2020 were cities were burning to the ground. as a law enforcement officer, these nypd cops, it takes a lot out of you do something that they are doing. it's an adrenaline rush. they are going on adrenaline right now. they are going full throttle, they are going on adrenaline and they will not stop until their

mission is complete. so kudos to them, they are the best, they are not going to give up, they are not going to let people terrorize their city any longer and the resources maybe thin but i can tell you, they will not stop until their job is done. they will work 24/7, they will keep going until it's taking care of and that is why you must back the blue. they put their lives on the line , they worked tirelessly day in and day out and i can reassure you, yes the resources are thin but their spirit in protecting their city is even stronger. >> trace: eden yadegar, you look at these pictures and you have a decision to wake make whether you go back. you knew -- no new york police will be on campus until may 17th through commencement ceremonies. you aren't graduating this year but still, to go back and see this and see what happened, doesn't make you a little bit reticent to make the decision to go back? >> absolutely, trace. what we are seeing on columbia's

campus and what we've seen over the last two weeks doesn't look like columbia university. the school that i've attended at least for the last two years as a freshman and sophomore is not the same one i'm attending now. it looks more like what i would imagine revolutionary iran to look like the new york city in 2024. as the daughter of iranian emigrants, as a first generation american, it's terrifying and appalling to see this support for sheer terrorism. i mean when you are endorsed by the islamic republic, by hamas, by the palestinian islamic jihad and by people like david duke, how can you think you should continue what you are doing? it's appalling. >> trace: i want to play this soundbite because this was one of the protesters talking about being arrested and i guess to sum it up he does not care. watch. >> what will you guys do when the police come in here and end up maybe people interesting them? >> we will do what we've always done. we will get arrested just like the criminals in the subway,

they are always right back out and 24 hours. >> trace: and that's the whole thing, this is what's going to happen. police will be on the campus see you can feel a bit more secure but you also know the protesters, even if they are tussling with police, will be back out on the street just like the people in the subway in 24 hours. >> exactly. it's terrifying because a lot of these people are the same ones that have assaulted my friends on and off campus. it feels as if there is no safe place. this is a direct result of columbia's lack of leadership, of abdicating to a mob, of saying okay, you can overrun our university and for two full weeks we are going to give you that authority. i mean it's just so appalling and as a jewish student but more so as an american student, i can't believe that we've gotten to this point where people don't want to follow law and order because it's not being enforced by our leaders. >> trace: i want to bring in very quickly, standby eden, let's bring in the founder and

executive director of stop anti-semitism. if you are listening, i'm not sure if you could hear eden, but there's this whole idea of this -- the jewish students at columbia being pushed off campus, some being pushed to their homes and other states and deciding whether they should go back. when you see what's happening on the campus and you are advising some of these young jewish students, what would you tell them? >> thank you so much for having me on. first and foremost, if there are any jewish students that are looking to file lawsuits, we would love to connect you with legal representation that are standing by willing, eager and able to help represent you. e-mail us because the law is on your side. >> trace: and as for the students themselves? are you concerned about them when you see police and you know that they are going to be on columbia university's campus for at least the next two weeks and

three days, may 1st being tomorrow or almost right now in new york, what would you tell these students? >> keep staying strong, keep being vocal about your judaism, be a proud jew, proud american as the jewish community is and i really want to discuss the two part responsibility that needs to happen in regards to these unlawful protesters. the first step, thank you to the nypd for doing their job and arresting them, that's part one. part two, the onus falls on manhattan's da, like that gentleman said that was reported earlier, the criminals on the subway system they're assaulting individuals, they are arrested and then out on the street 24 hours later. the da needs to put a stop to this. new york city has become a laughing stock in regards to the criminal justice reform system. these unlawful protesters, it's

not enough for them to be arrested, they need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. >> trace: yeah, you are exactly right. standby if you would. just to kind of wrapup with you, aaron cohen, when you look at what's happening here at city college and you see that they are up there and they are causing problems there and then you see that ucla is cracking down, you see that texas is arresting people and cracking down, florida is cracking down, do you think these protesters might have come to the end of their run? >> not until you completely shut them down. the reason why is because based on the threat escalation, if you look at the history of these types of incidents over the last 50 years, it does not matter where they are in the world, you have to put a clamp on them which means the only way to really defuse it is to have more manpower, carefully conducting these responses, just like esu went into the second structure at hamilton hall. but like nicole said, that's a scary entry, you don't know

what's behind the door, how many people are in there, of rocks will start coming at your head, there could be a weapon inside, you don't know. there's a tremendous amount of tunnel vision and auditory exclusion. these are the chemical dumps that happen when you respond to this type of chaos. it really gets you over oxygenated. between that and nypd, great, the largest law enforcement in the country, the only way to really get ahead of this is like everybody's been saying, it's leadership decisions have to be made, columbia is way behind this thing. ucla weigh behind this thing. i heard from a source of mine that students were being turned away from a building at ucla saying you have to praise palestine. it's gone nuts. the response needs to be aggressive, the diffusion will happen through more manpower than what's out there. protesting needs to be done carefully. it has to be aggressive,

especially since they are playing into the hamas playbook which is that we will overwhelm them with rhetoric, overwhelm police with manpower and don't worry, if we get hooked up and arrested we will just get right back onto the street a couple hours later. the laws need to be there, the teeth need to be on the laws as well. >> trace: speaking of the laws, to bring you back in morgan, as you look at what's happening here at on-campus and you talk about leadership, we've used that word a bunch tonight, the leadership at the campus we've said was lacking, a leadership around the country college campuses was lacking but a lot of people have said leadership at the top of this country was lacking. we heard very little guidance from the white house. they were very wishy-washy on who to condemn and who not to condemn and where to make a stand and what to do, and that is one thing that will have major impact as these protests, even if the end tomorrow, which they won't, as they go on, that has a huge impact on how long

they last. >> i could not agree with you more. i think the problem is that the white house, they are trying to make policy decisions based off political polling outcomes that they are seeing. and that's a terrible place to be in. i'm a foreign policy professional, i've been working in national security and foreign policy for almost 20 years now. when you try to make these decisions based off how you think something is going to affect state-by-state in an election year, that is not a good place to be in. you have to make sound foreign policy decisions and not try to make them for the polls in november. i think that is a big part of the problem here, is clearly the white house had a strategy early on for how they were going to support israel in the immediate days after october 7th. the minute it became a political liability with them, with their base, they tried to split the baby. if you think about the old testament story.

they try just put the baby, they are trying to appease these activists will also try not to upset other elements within the democratic party and their own obligations to our allies and friends and partners in the middle east. a lot of this comes back to not having moral clarity on these issues that they should have had. i often say, trace, people asked me how we got abraham accords in the fourth year of the trumpet ministration and i say listen, that did not come out of everyone -- that did not come out of nowhere, it happened out of years of policies put in place. unfortunately the biden administration has not had moral clarity on things like -- i don't even know if our audience knows this, if the protesters know this, but there's an actual genocide going on right now of muslims. it's not in the middle east, it's in china. muslim uighurs have had an ongoing to genocide there for years. where's the protest for that? where's the administration speaking out on that? you almost never hear them talk about it because they want climate change concessions with china. similarly in the middle east they've not held in iran --

iran. >> speaker-02: the fire. they have three years of giving them billions of dollars in sanctions relief got promising them $6 billion just weeks before the october 7th massacre. and chasing them around the world begging them back into a deal. why does all of that matter? because when you don't have moral clarity for three plus years now, number 1 on the ongoing genocide against muslims in china, number 2 on the islamic republic of iran, he gets you to the place you are today where you cannot make these decisions that have moral clarity when it comes to the decisions that need to be made in the united states. >> trace: indeed, morgan, thank you. we will have another hour of "fox news @ night" coming up continuing our coverage of breaking news at columbia university, the encampment as well as hamilton hall have now been cleared. police are still on scene andmi they mightze be there for a whi. with liberty mutual. we got a bit of a situation. [ metal groans] sure, i can hold. ♪ liberty liberty liberty liberty ♪

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