from the white house as israel gets intense pressure not only from students on campuses but from president biden and from the white house and from secretary of state blinken as well who you heard earlier has put israel on the front page of their human rights review the annual human rights review over the situation in gaza. so a lot of discussion about politics, about michigan, about the uncommitted voters in michigan who made it very clear that their votes is not necessarily secure for president biden in this environment so a lot of politics at play here. we'll continue to keep a close eye on all of this developing news over the course of the story this we week. doubt getting ready to close in a minute, less than a minute, up 241 points, that's the -- "the story," for today. expediting us, everybody. will see you back here tomorrow. >> ♪ ♪ >> everyone: [chanting]

>> neil: fox on top of anti- israel put that on a pair, growing calls for a crackdown on the crisis spreading threw college campuses across the country. from the scene at new york university last night showing chaos breaking out until police stepped in, to the scene today with escorts -- scores or plants, plywood, barricades and police protection as students caged -- staged a walkout -- attending the china demonstration to take action. we'll speak with him in this moment. welcome everyone, on charles payne or four neil cavuto and this is all about your world." we go first to steve harrigan who is underground in new york university with the very latest. >> the crowd here not going anywhere, there in about the fourth hour protests on the main chandelier he now is "three, three palestine got the numbers approaching 1500 people at one point and really basically shutting down on-campus learning in many places, colombia has said they will have a hybrid education for the time being

basically telling students to stay home. what that means is you're paying 60 -- $6000 tuition basically for resume calls here at nyu overnight there were more than 100 people arrested. i see people and not students because it's not clear how many of those arrested were actually students. some of their ages in the high twenties level -- low thirties. obviously not college undergraduates. as well as calexico, some of these slogans are really distasteful unsettling and really create a fear for safety especially the one we are all hamas. about of course if your organization that killed 1200 people in israel on october 7th and the critics of this movement say it really shows an ignorance of history. >> they need to maintain the order and to assert their authority and say this is a university. we do not do this here. you people are ignoring. go to the library if your students and read about what happened in the holocaust.

>> so it started at columbia university, spread threw elite universities in the northeast, moved out to california at berkeley and even some high schools as well. and it's hard for administrators to really figure out what to do even when they brought in the police as in colombia, cleared the tents, those tents have reemerge just days later. back to you. >> martha: steve >> charles: steve harrigan in new york in diversity, you. a group of -- to protect jewish students. this across america campuses sending a letter to attorney general merrick garland and education secondary the velcro donor today. senate -- senator doing this now. welcome. what exactly are you asking from the administration? >> for them to take action. you can't make this stuff up what's happening on these college campuses obviously has been fermenting for a long time campuses decades in the making. but these are violations of federal law.

you can't have this kind of writing and violent acts against or harassment are this commission against jewish groups on his campuses, you can have school officials who aren't protecting the students. those are all violations of federal law and, you know, the universities don't able or capable of addressing this and so we are asking the biden administration to -- and a department of medication to take action and the justice department to take action. anything they can due credit apartment a medication can do very quickly is, you know, take a way funds for schools that aren't following the l law. >> martha: senator, right also your colleague senator captain mentioned the interaction act. is that something is applicable here? >> i think that any of these federal statutes and i believe it is and by the way you have time cotton -- i give to god and a lot of credit for initiating this because clearly something had to be done, these universities others that are incapable of addressing what is a question under campuses and something that continues to just escalate and get further and further out of control.

they universities need to be allowing the nypd there, the national guard command just getting control of these campuses and if you get people there who are violating off -- the -- ought to be charged that way and you get students who are here, foreigners were here on visas goggles leaders ought to be taken away and they are to be deported. i mean there just isn't any room for this kind of behaviour. we look at us -- the stuff you're looking at in this country today looks like 1930s germany and there is obsolete is now excuse for it and needs to be addressed. the ministration needs to take those steps to address it. >> charles: i want to pick up on that point because it feels -- obviously the longer this goes gone without any sort of major figure in power saying stop now or let's say don't for a lack of a better word, the more it's going to embolden others to join. we've heard steve harrigan talking about high schools joining and, more colleges joining. but it feels like president biden is hoisting himself up

to our political not here on who to side with and now it feels like both sides, altered of the argument, this crisis, rather, feel left o out. >> right. and you should be siding with law enforcement. he should be citing with enforcing the law. this shouldn't be a difficult call for him. i realized the politics in the democrat party were right now is after that there's a lot of political pressure on him to tolerate this sort of thing but it will -- if you see things like this happen it will beget more of the same. you pointed out what's happening in other campuses around the country. you will see more of this mother way to stop this is a stop in his tracks and that means that they control of the situation and stamp out this kind of behaviour. you can't have discrimination, you can have harassment, you can't have violence on these college campuses directed at you is, as a violation of federal law and with tom, in an orderly five other republicans had made clear in this letter most of the justice department and the department

of education is take steps to address and fix this are going to get a lot more of i it. >> charles: before ago this month let you go can your bid is on the foreign aid boat and also what is going to become of the border? >> the border needs to be fixed and this administration has turned a deaf ear and a blind eye to that. that will take probably a change in administration honestly but wants that happens they will get back and we'll get back operational control to the southern border but addressing the national security interest in americans around the world is what's at stake in the supplemental approach of -- and is going to defend its national security interest both here at home in other places around the world where we have allies who -- were our national interests are at stake. >> charles: denizen -- senator john thune, thank you

very much. always appreciated. >> thanks, charles. >> charles: i so crucial that america continues to back israel in the face of these growing protests here in our own country? fox news senior strategic analyst and retired four-star general, came during the snow. general, again, to senator joe -- thune's point, the longer demonstration sisters of the more it seems to embolden this powder keg and the more it seems to embolden the thought and ideas out there that say that israel is in the wrong in this. what are your thoughts? >> i certainly agree with everything that senator just said. this is rapidly in my view becoming a stain on our national honour here and you got to get control of the situation certainly restore order on these campuses, express students were violating law and remove foreign students certainly who also violating law and deport them.

you -- we don't tolerate this kind of behaviour in the united states and i think one of the things, and you made a very valid point here. it's really quite disturbing, is that the administration's policies of walking away from supporting the warnings of the netanyahu administration, that is to go into rafah and to complete destruction of hamas' e. effect on this and the political control and by using that pressure get to the regulation -- negotiating table over hostage release, they have walked away from those -- are such that kind of rhetoric is actually encouraging any demonstration because hamas and iran who are behind a lot of this in terms of encouraging it, they're actually saying that they want more of it. because in the minds of the

leaders behind this movement, this -- their succeeding grandmother putting pressure on the administration to curb israel's military behaviour. and that is what they want and it is actually happening right before our eyes. it is absolutely -- i'm never seen anything quite like it for an ally as close as israel's is to us, to have this kind of shameful behaviour. and as a result of it we've got demonstrations showing up and growing in the united states in support of the very enemy that is espousing to destroy the state of israel and kill as many jews as they can. >> charles: general kane i said early october right after the barbaric invasion and brutal massacre and it was pretty clear what -- the only game plan that hamas had was to become sympathetic with the world's and they used churches -- not churches

but, you know, religious facilities currently used hospitals. the use whatever they can, and ended -- this has worked. her surprise you that this is working at least with the media that many media outlets and university campuses you middle is well telegraphed that this was the goal in the first place and we now who's really responsible for those that? >> is working but unfortunately this administration is help facility it's working because jake joined that very public sign that opposes monetary's military objectives. for our viewers understand once again there's not a single bombshell partners in a single tunnel complex along the 300 miles of tunnel complexes, much of which are reinforced by concrete, none of it is available to the people of gaza. you want those casualties. we have to have more clarity

about who is actually responsible for these casualties. you're going to watch right before our eyes israel move a million people away from rafer to a safer place, food, water and medical care, so they can conduct a military operation against the chosen enemy that is highly inside those tunnel complexes. there is an precedented and warfare, and they get no credit for it. actually, people are opposing them for this to include administration. it's appalling to see this and i don't think the biden administration is connecting their opinions and their rhetoric and the growing demonstrations the -- >> martha: >> charles: it's a real shame. general jack keane, thank you. now to the trump trial as a judge hears heated arguments on whether the former president divided up gag orders what happens now? to fox' made 40 whose in the

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>> ♪ ♪ >> mr. trump: is an unconstitutional gag order by a highly conflicted judge that should be -- should recuse himself. very simple. >> charles: former president donald trump accusing the judge at his new york trial at taking his wife -- right away -- >> hi, charles. the state's first witness former american media ceo and president david peck -- david pecker testify to -- michael cohen to suppress damaging stories about trumping leading up to the 26th and provincial election and publishing negative stories about trump's of one up accordingly trump said this entire trial is helping his current political opponent president joe biden. >> mr. trump: keeping me in a courtroom and a courtroom all day long while he's out

there campaigning, probably an advantage because -- nobody knows what he is doing, -- but he's out campaigning. >> pecker testified that he make a secret agreement in 2015 to alert trump's former lawyer coin of negative stories about trump while coined within work to tell those stories. pecker answered questions about suppress stories from former partners mclemore while leaving court trump criticized the court's judge -- gag order which the da's office claims he is that -- judge one mission reserve his decision on whether or not trump did in fact violate the gag order. the das office is asking for a $1000 fine per violation. particular joshua strong glass also revealed the second crime trump is accused of, the one missing from inherent da alvin bragg's indictment it reads impart

"any two or more persons who conspired to promote or prevent the election of any person to public office by unlawful means in which conspiracy is acted upon by one or more of the parties there too she'll be guilty of a misdemeanor." so the argument from the da's office is that trump falsified internal business records to aid a conspiracy to win the 2016 presidential election. court will continue thursday morning. charles? >> charles: thank you very much. so what do my next guest make up today's developments? that's as former federal prosecutor treaty to kursk -- hst and tom dupree. tomic, let me start with you. >> -- >> charles: katie catlett -- let me start with you. katie, can you hear me? tom? >> i can hear you. >> charles: what you make of these departments?

>> but i would say is most shocking and bizarre is that the da's office did reveal that the second crime, the funny escalator that trump official -- essentially the -- in order to conceal another offence is just simply another expired misdemeanor offence. sure that was quite shocking and interesting development just on the legal side of things. in terms of pecker's testimony, we still have not heard the keywords that are prosecutor's office needs to hear which is that donald trump specifically said that he wanted this story suppress for the purposes of his campaign. there is the crux of the issue here, they haven't gotten that out on this particular witness yet so certainly i think the case is just as weak -- >> charles: that second -- misdemeanor that katie just talked about, it sounded so convoluted and it's so confusing maybe on purpose. it feels like at this point they're trying to baffle other -- everyone with a little bit of you know what

-- because i just feel like the merits on the surface this are not up to snuff. >> you and look, if you are prosecutor, you want to be in the business of baffling injury. the prosecutor's tool of trade is common sense. they need to boil this case down and make it something that the jury can understand and if their game plan is to bombard the jury with the legal complexities about the intricacies of new york election law, that will be a really difficult case for them to prove that everything , charles, that caught my eye into these proceedings with the gag order here this morning there was a real fire reactions between the judge and the trump defence lawyer about whether former president trump had violated the judge order. -- gag order. the judge has not willed it but i think this is an issue honestly there will will be proclaimed throughout the trial. content and gag orders just don't miss -- makes. trump want to speak his mind, the judge doesn't want to -- muddying going away. >> charles: what makes it even more obligated is a lot

of this is focused on social truth, through social, rather. so it's a social media website where you put something or we put something, it is violated a gag order, apparently da alvin bragg wants a thousand dollar -- what you make of it because the -- dishes to tom's point president trump is saying he has a right to speak in a right to defend himself? >> certainly does have a right to speak or you has a right to campaign. the purpose of a gag order should be to protect a case generally from having information released publicly but when the gag order doesn't apply to any of the other witnesses were going out and speaking openly, michael cohen namely about all these issues and their positions and impressions of president trump's what ability i think he does have a right to respond to that so this gag order is unconstitutional, unfortunately for president trump right now judge merchan is the arbiter of what the violations until. showed appellate issues are stacking up new liskeard say. >> charles: although, tom,

request for $1000 fine for each violation, it maybe seems a little trivial in all of this. what about the constitutional part that president trump keeps bringing up? what you come down and that? >> le, i think the judge frankly is going a bit too far in terms of restricting speech in addition to gag -- gagging former president trump, he's also prevented reporters on reporting that things that they are seeing and hearing in a courtroom which seems to me to be a classic first amendment violation. i get the judge needs to protect the integrity of the trial and he is right, he has to -- dirty and -- duty and obligation to do that. but that -- i think where this judge has been drawing a line so far as actually beating -- been to restricting exercising a protected first amendment right. >> charles: for some it is like the fingers on the scale a little too heavy. will see. thank you both very much, appreciated remick meanwhile donald trump using somebody's hallway mike time to bless the anti- israel protests and the college chaos that we've

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air and the bags -- [laughter] >> she inflation. >> charles: yeah. some bags are same size but i just have more era and product. >> without a doubt especially doritos. but, you know, audience knows this right and we have this conversations can the audience knows because they don't want you dealing with us all the time. >> when you look at what's happening with glycated readers found that she does cover the pepsi-cola of the world, consumers obviously, they're buying less volume albeit a slightly higher prices so that's why the revenues are of little bit. but consumers are trading down right no and we've talked about this before , charles, whereby the target shopper becomes a walmart shopper. but specifically inside the stores nurse at trade down effect happening too and rather than getting that bag of doritos, consumers are now making decisions to maybe get private label kroger brand natural chips, right? for their trading down there as well. >> charles: you know, i

think with a really problematic issue here is commodity prices are going through the roof, you know, something regular folks look at all the time but -- regular food prices are through the roof and the makers of the stuff have to pass similar on and so when you hear biden of course is blaming food companies for the fact that lesson there are some problems -- structural problems that are making this happen. >> coke is up 10160% year today. that's crazy and i seem to -- point in time you got people saying inflation is over. 's not over. in fact, it's actually really exhilarating right no but you look at the impact of inflation specifically on lower income individuals, middle america, darton last quarter, they mentioned in olive garden traffic was not significantly from families making under $75,000 a year. so, you know, inflation as we now it's a progressive tax. >> charles: and ironically up for families making $120. show to your point everyone

is trading down. i'm wondering and by the way it really bothers me is all these experts that are out there in wall street that says everything is okay because they take all the consumers and take the aggregate, which folks and poor folks and say we are doing okay. i got to ask you about this peddler think that i didn't get a chance -- another of the conference not the stock has been hammered calloused, has been absolutely crushed, so knee-jerk amounts are not absent -- what do we need to do to get back on track? >> i've heard the dividends focus on robert haché's. you look at gm's reported this morning, a beaten race from gm, what idea doing well with? pickup trucks. gas powered pickup trucks, specifically the heavy-duty ones that may take diesel. sure they're doing very well there any contrast that we what's happening at tesla, demand for ev's is waning. there is no secret about that. everyone's been talking about that. we can see plain as day. so look, i don't have a solution for them. i mean maybe robo taxis is a

way to go. but that just seems incredibly disruptive for someone to place a big bet on that. >> charles: and admit this particular time into your point, listen, when ev makers finally said to president biden we can't do it, we have to slow down, their stock prices have gone up, their performance has gonna because americans like trucks down there like pickup trucks! >> you have one, right? >> charles: yes. mark, with seeing you. appreciated. all of this has you worried folks about getting the stock market you cannot miss my special tomorrow on foxbusiness. is called making money, is the unworkable investor townhall quiz show addition. everyone is in the market, it's time for you to get in and if you get him to do it right. i want to show you tomorrow how you key in -- you can become an breakable investor. theunissen it will be an amazing show at 2:00 pm. coming up here as anti- israel protesters were campus life are voters paying

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an oily -- early task of one of the first test in fact of how an anti- israel progressive democrat welfare among voters amid the growing anti- somatic protests and college campuses. incumbents and squad member democratic representative summer league is a primary challenge from local democratic councilwoman who says lee is too extreme. lee has been under fire for being among the first to call for a gaza cease-fire. she's opposed house resolutions condemning anti-semitism and hamas and she voted against aid for israel. congresswoman alexandra o'connor to -- alexandria ocasio-cortez campaign for lee this week and. is also supported by israel's and a -- supporter senator john fetterman, top democratic leadership and pennsylvania's democratic senator bob casey who is running for reelection in november though casey has tried to distance himself from lee recently. over the weekend anti- israel protesters interrupted akc campaign event. today we are hearing a very

low turnout in play's primary across pennsylvania as the presidential and senate races are a foregone conclusion here. we'll speak to voters, however, who told us this about why they're motivated to show up today. >> what is the most important issue you right now that brought you out to vote today? >> the border. >> inflation. >> every single thing is more expensive than it was under biden and his administration. >> order and all this anti-semitism and the riots in the streets. is just out of control. >> i still like the idea of voting not commit -- should be committed to israel. >> where is everyone? everyone is so mad and angry today but are they here to vote and see there, you know, piece? no. so i'm here, doing my part. >> the pro-palestinian uncommitted campaign is hoping for over 40,000 voters to right in uncommitted here in pennsylvania to protest

president biden. charles? >> charles: thank you. cover student newspaper reporting of the university has suspended a pro-palestinian group and close harvard yard for the rest of the week. my next guest says leadership across all ants need to do more. 2024 new voices founder and harvard grad samantha ellis joins us now. by the way that we did reach out to harvard university for a statement, we are right now waiting to hear back. samantha, tell us what you would like to hear and who you want -- we would like to hear from. >> were at a pivotal point right now in history. we haven't seen this kind of hate and violence and rhetoric on campuses for, you know, tens of years. like, this is unprecedented. and what we are seeing is faculty and students are being seduced by a terrorist group. students for justice in palestine also known as asked -- estimate -- and we have

been completely unprepared and it's time for leadership not just to talk but they must take action before it gets worse. >> charles: you know, here's a quandary though many may see that these universities were fertile ground for such invasion and that these leaders may be, you know, seduced the sort of invasion that maybe they will commit. >> it's a great point. i think what we've seen happen is there are so many progressive values on our campuses, and that became fertile ground for terrorists to invade. to what we've seen is that in over 200 campuses there are active sjf groups funded by terrorists, and we need to get them off of our college campuses. we need to expel students that are involved and we need to move on so that our students can actually go to universities and learn and feel safe. this is no longer about jewish students. this is about upholding western values. every parent in america should care and want to do

something about what's going on. >> charles: you know, this whole thing you brought up funding, you know, you see these tense, they are pretty expensive of thing and you get from one of these high-end camping outlets. they take them a way county bring them back the next day because they get new ones. just feels very organized and there some well healed money behind this it feels and you have to wonder where it's coming from? >> it's a great point. are not just well in -- organized, their dangers and their abundant and they're so well-funded as you say. i mean look how beautiful these incumbents are. the pictures shown earlier of columbia university. i mean this is something out of a catalog. but unfortunately what's behind it is tremendous hate. and these groups have ties to hamas, to al qaeda. these are terrorist funded groups. and unfortunately this has been going on for years before october 7th. october 7th is what woke us up to it. so now it's time for us to take action. >> charles: i don't know if

you can teach -- courage but colleges to be a place that you can go and it can bring it out of you, you were encouraged to actually go out there and now we need the very people who -- to set an example to your point. staff that matt --'s mentor, thank you very much. appreciated. the senate said to take up foreign aid but aid for the crisis here at home is still stalled. >> , charles, while the senate is coming this cooling process on the national security supplemental with money for ukraine, israel and taiwan, no money for the u.s. border. the president reportedly might consider taking executive action. i'll have the details on what coming up. >> ♪ ♪ her. like your workplace benefits and retirement savings. voya helps you choose the right amounts without over or under investing. so you can feel confident in your financial choices voya, well planned, well invested, well protected.

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>> ♪ ♪ >> charles: we are awaiting senate votes from foreign aid for israel and ukraine and taiwan but the national border patrol union lamenting that there is nothing for border security and request a white house response? hilary vaughn is there with the latest. >> the white house response is they wanted money for the border too. president trenin originally requested $14 billion for the border as part of the national security supplemental. your -- but republicans rejected it. he wanted policy changes and ultimately democrats and republicans in congress could not agree to a package that would get another votes to pass so nothing on the border

today as ascent moves forward on this package that has money for israel, ukraine and taiwan. summer publicans are annoyed that their party did not stick together demand -- the manner border bill first. others say its time to move on. >> there's no border security, i hate that but we tried and failed but we now smack now is the time to help ukraine. >> the reality is that we don't have a secure border and people here in washington are way more concerned about the sovereignty of ukraine's border than they are -- >> according to the wall street journal the president might be ditching congress and doing it himself and it comes to immigration report. -- that one of those proposals on the table could be granting legal status to mix status families. u.s. citizens who have a spouse that is an illegal immigrants giving them work permits and deportation protection. this perk as a way to have immigration advocates stomach a larger illegal immigration crackdown that could come from biting according to the wall street journal. officials say the white house

has discussed timing it before the election as a sort of 1-two punch following unexpected border would likely up hassett immigration advocates grandmother white house not knowing anything are confirming the report telling us in a statement the administration remains committed to building an immigration system that is fairer and more humane as we said before, that meditation is constantly -- we will wait and see what happens but it seems that the president might be tired of holding his breath that something on the border and immigration will happen in congress. charles? >> charles: meanwhile, president biden is taking some heat for his response to this major anti- israel at all these limitations across college campuses, saying yesterday that he condemns anti-semitic protests as well as those who he says "don't understand what's going on with palestinians or palestine." what is -- at the white house said about that today? >> , charles, today the white house is reminding everyone that the president decided to run for president four years ago in light of the rally in charleston, virginia where

there were those chance of white supremacy and anti-semitism and today, they say he is just as committed to rooting out anti-semitism wherever it pop-ups even on our college campuses, white house deputy secretary and -- andrew is telling reporters today what is happening at these anti- israel protest is wrong. >> calls for violence and physical intimidation targeting jewish students in the jewish community are blatantly anti-semitic, unconscionable and dangerous, and they have no place on any college campus echoing the rhetoric with terrorist organizations especially in the wake of the worst massacre committed against the jewish people since the holocaust is despicable. >> white house office of the department of education will taking an active role in investigating any anti-semitism on college campuses, education secretary miguel cardona seeing a statement out today "anti-semitic hate on college campuses is acceptable, i'm deeply concerned by what is

happening at columbia university. we won't tolerate heat or harassment of target students because of who they are or who they are perceived to be." about -- but while the white house has been very forceful in condemning these anti-semitic rants on college campuses, the past -- president himself had not given a formal speech condemning it. he also had not taken to social media himself to post about it and the one time you did mention it on camera, it was in response to a question from fox. charles? >> charles: is looking for more throated pushback. think you very much, hilary. and as anti- israel protest balcarcel university's president biden are focusing on campaign and abortion today, what call -- former president trump is handling it next. >> ♪ ♪ when you're a small business owner, your to-do list can be...a lot. ♪

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♪ ♪ >> president joe biden campaigning in florida today making abortion rights the focus. this as he is facing heat on the handling of the israel-hamas war and anti-israel protests. mark? >> charles, good evening to you. president biden's visit in florida was weak but he is hoping his message will resonate with voters between now and november, the campaign trying to make abortion a topline issue especially in this state which is about to impose a six-week ban on the procedure and president biden's is too many floridians are being put in a dangerous situation.

>> reproductive health care before women even know whether they are pregnant. i mean, this is bizarre. putting a doctor in prison if he takes care of a patient. >> the biden-harris campaign is spending a lot of time, energy, and money trying to make the abortion issue front and center in swing states. polling shows it is a top-five issue but that the economy ranks higher in terms of voters concerns. former president trump, who called florida home, says he believes the abortion issue should be decided on the state level. he has yet to say how he would vote on a ballot initiative in florida which would essentially expand abortion access, but we did here today from florida governor ron desantis, who blasted biden's visit. >> floridians are not buying what joe biden is selling, and in november, we are going to play an instrumental role in sending him back to delaware, where he belongs. >> one of the big questions, of course, will democrats turn out in greater numbers this election with abortion being on

the ballot? republicans say they don't think that is meant to be the case but the president's visit today, charles, was all about trying to get voter turnout. charles? >> charles: let's get the read and all of us from karl rove, fox news contributor, former white house deputy chief of staff. to be 21 >> good afternoon, charles. >> charles: good afternoon. florida, they are trying abortion, obviously, particularly it helped a lot, i think come in the mid-terms, certainly, but of all the things out there, though, is this going to be enough? because it feels like there are so many inches that this white house has been caught offsides with, it seems like they don't have an answer for him. >> yeah, look, no, it is not enough to say the democrats, the inflation issue, the illegal immigration issue, the cost of government, all of these things are going to be bigger and more important then, i think, abortion is going to be. but it is both a challenge and an opportunity for republicans. my view is it is not enough simply to say we are going to leave it up to the states.

i think people do want to know if you are going to leave it up to the states, what would you do if you were voting in a referendum or if you were a member of the legislature, and republicans are on solid ground i think if they say something along the lines of, if i were doing this at a state level, i think 15 or 16 weeks is a reasonable period to allow when a woman to seek an abortion and after that point, three exceptions, rape, incest, life of the mother, parents should be involved in the decisions of their daughters, and it is a morally dangerous thing for us to be engaged in. i think whether you agree with them or not, they would have a position that would be defensible and sound reasonable to the vast majority of people who might be inclined to vote for a republican for president. >> charles: karl, earlier today come outside of a court, former president trump had some comments on this anti-israel

protests that are happening all over college campuses. let's take a listen. i want to get your thoughts. >> what's going on at the college level, in the colleges, nyu, columbia, and others, is a disgrace, and biden has the wrong signal, the wrong tone, the wrong words come he doesn't know who he is backing. and it's a mess. >> charles: karl come he does not know who he is backing because it feels like he wants to back both. >> president biden's statement yesterday was mystifying. if this is a moment where we needed moral clarity, where was the president of the united states? i thought it was very smart of the former president to go into the courtroom today not talking about the case that he is in court about, but instead talking about the big issues that americans are thinking and talking about as they see it played out on the television. this is a point at which we ought to as a country say we will not accept anti-semitism on our great institutions of higher education, and the idea that you

can go on to a college campus and break the rules and set up these encampments and protest the acts of israel and engage in anti-semitic behavior towards jewish students is unacceptable on our campuses, and the police have every right to come in and remove you, and the students have every likelihood of being suspended from school if they continue to engage in this kind of activity. we need moral clarity. we don't need come on the one hand this and on the other hand this, as president biden gave us yesterday. >> charles: is not working up in my opinion making things worse. carl come always great to talk with you. thank you very much, my friend. folks, that is it for us, but remember tomorrow, fox business, i've got a very special town hall called "making money, unbreakable investor." you have to be in the stock market, bottom line, you must be in and i will tell you why tomorrow. check me out. here "the five." ♪ ♪ >> jesse: hello, everybody. i'm jesse watters on the