to mess things up, christine brain damage. so let's stop this self sabotage. humans and multitasking watch. now on youtube, v w documentary is where i live, mr. kenning, 7 for an aid workers in gaza. that'd be in hopes that the humanitarian situation, my ease, and the desperately need of food can begin to reach the hundreds of thousands of risk of famine. for how realistic of those hopes, my guess is yeah. megan's head of them the wage and refugee council for decades of experience in the humanitarian field. he's also a former, diplomatically, was personally involved with a low piece told between israel and the palestinians in the 1990. how does he fix the savage war? and then in 6 months, the war must be over. i hope it's over in, in a week, really. and,

and that we sped for the flood fox and rough exelon says the power of a rising of garza now. right. so i'm, i'm the worst assault from any civilian population in our time a day. why was the power on the stop before so many was killed? the land welcome to come pick. so thank you very much. after the killing of the 7, the aid workers in gaza by israeli troops as be new, hope that's the so the aid situation might improve on the ground to some meaningful degree. do you think that hope is justified? yeah, the hope is justified. i, i, we desperately need it. we haven't seen much proof of it, perhaps a little bit more trucks coming over the hidden shut it on board, the crossing in the south. i haven't seen trucks coming through the northern border

crossings yet. and this then i left of restrictions on in terms of movement. inside the south, that is red control was completely no except for ra, find the south with the military troops. you mentioned rough. uh, if they uh on the slot, if they advance is really advanced, goes ahead and rough or what would the situation be there then? i mean, they would be terrific beyond belief. i was there myself 556 weeks ago. it's a, it's a place like nowhere else and the one it's, it's in effect, the largest refugee would come on us $1400000.00 people crammed to get that in an area which is like once happens, all the municipality of us know where i live. these people have fled

to 34, or 5 times. most of them they have nowhere else to go because like i'm not free into is red from with their ancestors pain. nor can they go into the chip. so the trap that a quick that go north of state, good 3 knows what would meet them. there would be a heap of ruins. it's it's, it's a horrific thing. it would be a black box to go into wrap up. that's why we're fight thing this very idea. it's and it's want to, to humanity, to have a war in a refuge account. but even without rough or the statistics are pretty horrendous. aren't they? those from the un office for the code, the nation of humanitarian to fast released on april 6, 1100000 people in gaza experiencing catastrophic food insecurity. there was no quick fixes to that of the, you know,

very quick ones except that this is, there are hundreds, thousands of trucks that could go across the board across things in the north to the time and stricken north tomorrow every day that you times can easily go in and out from is right. why couldn't 8 trucks go go in and out. this is the i'm at manmade departments from 8 years that it's, it's, it's not the, the, the, the drought of somalia. and that's where this is a comment made by it was and made by a brocade. that is right. it has some post on the in us and does the sense that they not to the launched the, to the 99 percent not to participate in the horace of the 7th of october. britton's father, the secretary david cameron said last week was we were told was previously

impossible. event by the israelis suddenly became possible. i started port and the iris crossing will soon reopen water will be turned back on. more aid will flow through care of shuttle. um, um you see right, uh, do you see movement that would tell you that this is now happening, but that's be the change of hot on the is riley side. when i think finally the united states read even germany to some extent is accepting the pressure on, on the as really war machine to be paid according to, to the last, a war that we didn't see. and that's in the 1st 5 months at or we're seeing some of that now. and then comes to promises that the port stop would open, the border crossings would open. they haven't so far. it has been more trucks

coming over care rim shut on in the very south. yes. but it's been very hard to get enough trucks going north to that or we're fix situation where hundreds of thousands of people are in effect in, in them. and so what i hope is that those should provide the choose for this, the odds for this, the bombs or this indiscriminate assault on gossip. and they are the united states, germany and to a lesser extent, the u. k. and not the western countries they need need to really exit some really pressure and, and also stop providing arms to something which is on thought that they indiscriminate. we prove that from the 1st week in the response from is read off to different riff it attacks. on the 7th of october. you seem to be citing

the western countries which are on the one that and supplying um some of the other i'm calling for then to the, the fighter you or at least a humanitarian pause. hypocritical is, is that you view? uh, yeah, yeah. they uh, it, it, they all seen that super critical by the world but, but that's more than anything that the occupation and, and, and, and, and, and the plummeting of apartment houses and the turning off for electricity and water is that really bad in ukraine as we will only agree, but it's somehow overall, but what is what it's doing the same. that's what the one sees as industrial, the scale it per se. what i would say is that they have been of this problem thing lee, and put them in that the problem to save yourself a is from they they must have seen because we provided the evidence for that that

the assault was indiscriminate from october. the 20th the last yeah they, they know that we went not allowed access to to gossip as we stood at you a minute. terry. and i want them my sons and let this to the us administration and to be you in mid october. that if they allowed is read, which is a lick, your intent to controlling the board, the crossings on politically with the military stop. it would never work in terms of german at their and access. so they knew all of this and the did very electric, but they continued to pride offs or all of this, what was their response when you gave them this morning, will to some extent we didn't even get an onset. but when we got the answers, they said, when we take it for granted, that this reality is, is following the,

the rules of who a war human is having a low of on conflict. we are asking them to provide humanitarian access. we will tell them again to provide humanitarian access. we are telling them to, to achieve the civilian population. and then we told them that you must see yourself that i'm not listening and upset sometimes to me it's like putting your fingerprints or over a crime scene. if you provide 2000 pound bumps to place, one apartment, i will civilian phone up comedies is coming off to the other. how would you not have complicity in what's happening? how do you explain this diplomatic impotence as you call it from the west of nations? yeah, we didn't, yeah, i still have problems and understanding it because i think that was strategic

mistake of enormous proportions in the beginning uh that they didn't understand and learn from 911 in the united states where the phone went, went from having or sympathy with united states everybody and then licked the ballot paper so that that was what the boarding and black sites and, and, and, and the, the, the us trust it's more of how i ground and it became some kind of mud wrestling match with these horrific organizations. the same thing, they must have foreseen when they went to as well. and so what we all felt that the, what's the gross them, a mazda attack on the, on the is radius of bindham population and, and i, i have come then those who say no, this was an operation in guest up to patient. this was live shipped to mid that it

costs or what or that is renaissance. it was not, it was killing a women children concept go go was um, a st capabilities. it was horrific and condemning and but, but, but then to, to go the insight. what behind whatever you do that was, but basically the message then that then the sort came and then it's very odd to say, oh oh, stop. what we'd like to start as the was going on, many countries have continued to repeat to the mantra that israel has every right to defend itself because it suffered a run this casualties on october. the 7th. when you look at the statistics of this complex, particularly those relating to palestinian children nearly $26000.00 killed or injured sofa according to save the children. is that in your view defense?

can it be described as different that? no, no is poppy on legitimate self defense and n o cost is right. as a right of self defense. that's what on or those west and lead to providing it on the sites. it's legitimate subject that and what the us even said from, from a relative really well on was that have been targeted operations against the how much i this what they decided to do was, and they made the list visa, then that then you all government the most extreme in the history of israel, by the way, with ministers who have said things that, that are from them, the rebate. they said we will make basically gusta on live report. we will change casa completely, we will not let in food. we will not let in electricity, we will not let in,

in water. that's what they sent. early on. many, many minutes or so. all could have become a surprise when they saw what happened. you've seen plenty of conflict over the years, but you wrote in february to stand in the ruins of gaza is to be overwhelmed by the object failure of the international community. for, for decades. my work has taken me to many was out, but i've never be confronted by anything like this. what. what was the vase that confronted you and left such a binding impression on you? yeah, i'm glad your your, your, your putting that question because there are some very unique features around garza and then there are some that don't know, boucher need. i've also been a relate to the shot to don for that and met the 10s of

thousands of people up for let the object risk of death who ensued don mass of sexual it violence massive amounts of mass that goes and know 8 to speak, golf and i would be beyond belief and minimal people live that kind of a reality in the should done. now, ben garza, so what's unique about casa is number one. there is no escape. there is no chunk or full or, or opponent or let been on hold the palestinians trapped inside it then stood populated area. and that's the other one. i mean, they, they, this has been split up and they did without escape. sadly, it's a more, inc, and it's on boardman in this smart place. then in any of the place and recent

memory. and then then lack of adequate access for you minute, terrance, to assist them. not because of lack of resources, because the, the, the border crossings are controlled with a belligerent that is not allowing it to go in. and then finally, what's that unique is that a general has don't us that high bus in ukraine and then shoot on and, and, and then so many other places, the westbound countries are, are actually playing a very negative role here because they have that provide the tools for the attack, so we are at, out with the, with the governments that you, we are usually a language. but even without that to being aligned with is riley policy. even without that,

you say they could have done much more when it comes to delivering aid to god. so you said, i would say to the countries like the u. k. and us, why haven't they organized around them come voice into gaza. they come on the international law, how companies rel, is allowed to control. oh, going in, even at the egyptian gods. the border international law says you have to enable enforce released to people who are starving. if there was a belligerent who was denying it, they could of some pay turned up at the border with the aid. i'm not that good lied spears writers to let them in. well, going across the different border with that when in, in, in, in cooperation with, with the, with egypt and set, hey eh, is read, are you going to bump this us, you take german con void that is going with fruit and other human to them

relief that we brand so this red monitor ourselves, of course they wouldn't have done that. so a give you another example of them in, in syria. there is an area controlled by, by on deposition groups. some of them all the names of a character. perhaps that would be a mouse. it may be just a slum it uh groups. uh yeah, one of them fledged the legions too. i tied up some yes. back to that area, the convoys go over from turkey and there is a un security resolution and enabling that, and it's monitored by you and monitors. and it the, the, the, the, the ide strauss very well. and it's not like they are asking us thought big the,

the syrian government and the muskets spoke for permission. there was a lot of presidents that could have done this according to international role. and they didn't. and when you ask them about this, what was the response that the know we have to cooperate with this rug and the israel is interesting to control every single cielo that goes across the board even from, from egypt. so, so well, i'm so tired really. we wait where we're impotent, they admitted that that meant that i mean that, that's i bought by it by also by, by that deep. i mean, i mean, noticing the, the truck goes from egypt into directly into gaza without its having been monitored by us. really pulses in the, in the, on the is really side of the board that it's a, there we have a you should go and see it's a line to come in the line to come in the queue to be

monitored and, and sled to go back and into the no man's land to be reloaded in local trucks, to go to to, to the starving children of the of golf site. it's this, it said it has been a different system from day one. yeah. mary, go on. where do you see? oh, this is another 6 months, more violence most suffering. i. i really think them it will, it, we, we, we will not have this is short or red, but it's 6 months. the war must be old, but i hope it's over in, in a week. really. and, and that we are sped for the blood, the boss and rough, but then we may have less attention and the ruling casa,

that meets on how to become live up, or what the people who may still be trucked that most people are with. well, i think want to leave that. that's what they told me when i was there this the fight this the find the own of these walls has made us believe this is no future for our children. we. we tried to go to new york, we will try to go west, but so i think that would be an extra this. i think that will be to let the resources for the rebuilding my organization that we serve refuge account that has been charged by by leading b plus double gonna sation responsible for that. hosting. you're like, there are $400000.00 plus homes destroyed with that much on but oh sion more than that. it's, it's, it's beyond belief and that needs to be rebuilt. and 6 months from now,

one people will still be living at best intense. do you think many of the palestinians will get pushed into the sign either be robust, egypt has actually been huddling over the price for accepting them. do you believe those rules or what i have? what i understand is that the extremist in is really politics and hispanic cabinet . you want to estimate clicked lens, people out of goss on in to see night from where they would not necessarily have the right to return to a rebuild godsa that, that may now even be, be colonized by this plus celebrate thing in this run the that what is happening and there and hopefully a steaming up of the land from the, from the policy. and so all of this we have to fight where it's, none of this is

a given, all of this can be reversed and i hope that is well that needs to have recognition, needs to be living in security. it needs to not be attacked by extremists as that. where on the 7th of october, i hope that is what would come to the census. i hope that the united states u. k. germany and this will on this time that it is out the productive voice, right? what has been done in the last few months? if they, if we want this right to live in security and peace and in recognition being recognized by the neighbors, that has to be a completely different uh, product. the policy problem is fine. you were trying to stay involved with the p stokes that lead to the lowest level codes between israel and the palestinians, and 1993, a quotes which ultimately failed to bring

a lasting peace settlement. but you have said, but the leaders who are now in key positions don't have the same stature onto the same color, but they were in 1993. the populace on both sides. what can you expect from those populace as you call them? yeah i, i'd say it's a, it's a complete lack of a believe the ship. of course an extreme is to happen. it's positions and is run and uh, and then on the policy in the side they all split and from mos shorted this route on the 7th of october and 10th hundreds of civilians. uh the policy and administration is very weak and old. and so what i, what i hope is that the is, is randy or lifting establishment will recognize that their

ways have been counter productive for the future of his ride. i hope that on the policy in that side, there is a recognition that we need to be unite thing and we need to have a new we need to cooperate as palestinians for a future that that would be new, need the ships on both sides and mo, most importantly, we need the united states, we need the european union and we need the gulf congress and n a and egypt and jordan, the 2 most important neighboring countries to cooperate in, in clustering or a solution. because i think a loan is ready to spell as it is, would it be incapable and unwilling to find a common church? are you getting any sleep these days? is there any kind of realistic hope that your managing to cling to?

i wonder what the effect is? on you of all the suffering that you've seen close up when i, i, i've seen that this has been one of the west periods of my hope to yes, i said you're monitoring what get because the needs of growing so exponentially the resources available for us solid verity as leveled off or gone down and international politics. oh it's nice relations or not constructive nor effective, nor efficient. and by the way, not keeping up hope. yeah bigger like we have to leave with that. thank you so much for big and complex. i appreciate your time. thank you. the

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