continues next on cnn tonight on three, 16 protesters defined deadline fines and facing academic sanctions and campuses across the country. the latest live on the pro-palestinian demonstrations, the police response elements of anti-semitism, and the impact this all can have on presidential politics. also tonight to look ahead at what to expect when the trump hush money criminal trial resumes tomorrow morning here in new york, and a report from haiti, a cnn exclusive for the country torn apart by gangs, or david culver tracks down in interviews, one gang leader who's now on the fbi's ten most wanted fugitives list good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin with pro-palestinian campus demonstrations entering their second week and growing. it seems not going away with spring commencement fast approaching university officials nationwide are now taking action to confront them. that said in different ways

with different degrees of success, there are juggling a lot. freedom of expression students >> safety, alumni pressure, and of course, all of it driven by one of the world's truly intractable conflicts. wanna go first to cnn's ed lavendera, the university of texas in austin. we're please just apparently using pepper spray on some in the crowd within the last hour. and what's the latest where you are just explain what's happening around you. >> well, all of the protesters that were taken into custody, but we don't have an official number yet in a number of people arrested. but what we witnessed with several dozen protesters taken into custody once those people were moved off campus, law enforcement officers have now moved away from the scene. and this is what his left the massive protest scene there are still a few people here gathered in the exact same spot where much of this protest started earlier in the day. it was incredibly tense for some time we saw state troopers once again return here to the campus in circle. this area that had been taken over with tents and

dozens of students, which they described anderson as a liberated in kanban zone in solidarity with what other campuses have been doing as well. and when that happened with the tens come up university officials say that they were not going to have any tolerance for any kind of occupation or a tense that would signify that this was going to grow into a larger protest. mean it larger protest here on the ground. and that's when we saw the state troopers and law enforcement come in and over the course of several hours systematically just pull protestors one taking them away from the scene here. this afternoon and then there were protesters, essentially following law enforcement officers and state troopers trying to force them chanting at them to get off of campus, pushing them away. and that led to the altercation that you talked about, the pepper spray officers were trying to get those that were arrested on the buses and off of the campus, as well as state troopers that in right here that had been brought on to the campus. so another tense de, but i must say it was very different from

what we saw last week in attention and the violence that altered violent altercations that we saw take place between protesters and law enforcement last week, there were nearly 60 people arrested. all of those criminal charges were dismissed. so it'd be interesting to see what happens with the protesters that were taken in to custody here today at austin anderson? >> is it clear how many hey, our actual students at ut well, university officials told us this afternoon in a statement that they believe that the majority of the people who were involved in today's protests were not students. >> in fact they said it was a group that started sending threats two university officials over the weekend and they're the ones that organized. it was really interesting how this developed. there had been what had been billed as an educational event. there was poetry reading, there was an artwork i'm making protest signs that sort of thing. and then over here on the steps of the main tower building, there was a silent digital by probed by profession

and as that happened, all of this kind of quickly developed into an encampment zone. so it almost seemed like a very deliberate strategy and a plan to create this particular moment that we saw on campus today. and that's what university officials say they were not going to put up with he also believed that much of this was caused by people who are not students here at the university. >> all ed lavendera. thanks very much. next to columbia university, which has started suspending student protesters for defying in order to leave there in canvas this afternoon, the school is also close the campus to anyone, but students and staff siemans and miguel marquez is at a protest, just outside one entryway to the campus. so what does it look like right now where you are what are you seeing these are the main gates. >> there was one 16th and broadway. there was a big protest here earlier today, several dozen protesters, but now it's maybe a dozen, maybe a bit more than that. still chanting inside you can see about 300 yards from here are

where the encampment is. >> those protesters in that encampment area, some of them have already been suspended, as you said, that the school after about 2:00 p.m. deadline starting to the proceedings to suspend the students. >> it sounds like the air trying to identify everybody in that encampment suspend them so they're alone no longer students. then at some point the university clearly does not want to call nypd. and again when they did that two weeks ago, it kicked off this backlash across the country. so they're trying to avoid that. but once they are no longer students of columbia push is going to come to shove. push is going to come to shove at some point. and the question is when anderson, so we're police called in to campus today because we're seeing images and police putting somebody in a van. was that yeah. i'll assign the camp outside their were police there. there wasn't a large number, but outside the campus, there were police are still some nypd officers and we saw that

arrest. there was a woman that was up on this poll actually, the light pole at 1:16 and broadway. she was putting up posters. she's that police are telling her to get down. she refused, apparently, and that's when they took her away and put her in the van. it's not clear she was arrested. they just took her away. maybe maybe they let her go a short time later. it's not clear what if she was basically charges at all, but she wasn't following the police orders. and that's why the letter away. >> it's not clear how much bigger this process just gonna be. i've walked around the university to see on the other side of as any protests, but it's very quiet over there, so it looks like we're in this stalemate between protesters and the university. and at some points, push is going to come to shove and into finals. now commencements in two weeks, the university clearly wants to get on with the business of being an educational institution. and they got mark guys, thanks very much joining us now from campus at columbia as a columbia student and cnn freelancer, john towfighi i'm john howe.

>> what have you seen today? how are things right now on campus? >> yeah. thank you for having me on anderson. >> today. >> is a beautiful monday evening. in fact, it's the last day of classes for students at columbia college and the other undergraduate schools. and we see a lot of students walking around campus. and of course notably, we see dozens of students still indian cabinet and anderson as your viewers would like to know today, university president minouche shafik put out a statement to the protesters and the encampment saying they had until 2:00 p.m. to disband and like i said, there are dozens of students define the university of presence orders and still out on the lungs what's interesting to know is that the small morning minutiae feeds sent an email to the columbia community at about 8:00 a.m. notifying people that negotiations between the students and the administrators had indeed ended however, what was not said in the email was that at about 10:00 a.m. the university administration began to drop pamphlets in the encampment, notifying students of this too. chem deadline. as you can imagine, that drew a lot of people to campus to

protect the students from potential eviction by the administration so that actually drew more people to the encampment's. >> so at this point, you said how large is the incumbent, right now to roughly do you know? >> so since the encampment has been on the university grounds since wednesday, april 17 there have been roughly 200 students coming going, sleeping overnight in the encampment. the is hard to pin down. show what i will say i was there on your laptop actually, is it behind you? >> good luck. show you here so i'm directly outside of the encampment. you can see there are tense as i spin around, you can see columbia's butler library, which is the main library on campus. so the students are still out in force. and today, the students actually voted amongst themselves, whether they were going to adhere to the university's demand to disband or whether they were going to stay. i was here watching that vote and i can tell you it was an overwhelming majority to stay with students raising their hands and cheering to

stay on the encampment john towfighi, i appreciate the report, john. thank you very much thank you. >> i appreciate it. >> joining us now is lawrence summers, former clinton treasury secretary and former president of harvard university, where he is now president and emiratis and the charles wlan university professor secretary summers, thank you for being with us. first of what is your reaction? to these protests, which we are now seeing on campuses at columbia and in texas. we've seen them at usc and other places these are very sad pictures. >> students have a right to protest. they have a right to express themselves. they don't have a right to disrupt. and it's very clear that there's substantial disruption on many campuses. and administrations have agonizingly difficult choices to make i wish they had made the decision not to allow these students to enter in the first place. i wish that they

had rapidly threatened escalating discipline and suspensions, the inability to graduate, the inability to get credit for the semester. i wish they had been much stronger in response. earlier provocations of which there have been many since october 7. and i think if it had been managed right we wouldn't be discussing police presences in the way that we are i think it's not difficult to respond to some things. for example, the john harvard statue at harvard has been defaced by a coffee are being placed on it for four days and no one has even removed that. so i think these are very difficult issues. i think there's a lot you can do short of calling in the police but it

has to be completely clear that you cannot disrupt with impunity. i also think that there's no reason why those who are not students who are disrupting campus activities should not be promptly arrested and charged with trespassing. i think just as anybody on a university campus, when they get funding from the outside for their activities, is expected to be accountable i think there needs to be close investigations of how these protest efforts are being funded. so this is not about which side you are or how you think about anti-zionism versus anti semitism. this is about a basic concept of academic freedom, which involves respect for order and too many

campuses. >> those values were not upheld with sufficient vigor over the last six months and let me know predictably, we're seeing consequences now, let me ask yeah, i mean i'm wondering aid. >> did you ever confronted situations like this when you were present in a harbor? i when i was at school, i in the 1985 to 89, there were anti-apartheid protests on campus but it wasn't turning students against one another. and students feeling threatened by other approach testers. who are screaming at them. have you ever faced something like this i didn't. >> there were not protests of this kind. when i was at harvard, i think largely that was a function of the circumstance and what the particular moment was may also have had to do with the fact that there was a sense that there would be a strong and vigorous response. i agree with

you that the thing that's most like this, that i can remember is the events that took place during the vietnam war period where there were threats, epithets hurled at people who were in the military or who supported the vietnam war and where there were active attempts to demonize people who were members of the community and you are seeing that in the acts that are taking place towards jewish and zionists students. and that makes this a particularly repugnant form of speech in a way that was not the case in the apartheid protests or a living wage protest. it i have to say that i've got very little sympathy

for these protesters and it seems to me that a moral minimum they want to recognize they feel what they're doing is profoundly just. but they should recognize as martin luther king did and as gandhi did, that, accepting punishment, even severe punishment was part of the act of civil disobedience, rather than trying to rally, rally allies to insist that they will not be disciplined. >> it also seems that some of these there's professors on campus at columbia who are encouraging these protests. they have tenure they can't be fired. the students can be kicked out. i was amazed to learn that one of the heads of the protests at columbia during a disciplinary committee, zoom call said that the zionist should be killed it didn't deserve to live. and that

wasn't the grounds for expulsion. it's only now that that person has been expelled from the school months after that was already out there i don't i'm not going to comment on the facts of that situation because i don't precisely know it. >> but yes, something i saw at harvard was a d from the lead, the title dean was busy feeding, passing food, burritos into protesters who occupied one of our university buildings. and our administration did nothing about that. and now they're surprised that protests have grown. and mushroom so i, think there's a real question about accountability for everyone. >> i think it is integral even though it's sometimes painful and problematic for faculty to have the right to express opinions in a very freeway that's academic freedom.

>> but acting on those opinions with respect to student discipline having that freedom be extended to making statements on behalf of the university, having that freedom be extended to what they do when they're supposed to be objective? objective judges. that's much, much more problematic thing. >> i had. there needs to be a lot of soul searching about the way universities are governed. and my own sense is that trustees who are the ultimate fiduciary is you make all these rules about tenure everything else have been much to passive route, too much of his seven, lauren summers. i really appreciate your time today. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> joining us now is former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe, also charles ramsey, former philadelphia police commissioner, before that police chief for the district of columbia, andrew, how important is it in your view?

four university in this kind of situation? i mean, how would, you know the decision to actually bring in local law enforcement columbia. i don't think that had been done really until since the 19 late 19, i think 1968 was the last time actually police nypd were called in on the campus yeah. interesting. it's an incredibly impactful decision and it's one that lawn or university administrators should consider very closely before they do that because once you bring law enforcement in, law enforcement is a very blunt tool, they are, they're predominantly because the university is reached stout and said, hey, we are the property owners. there are people here trespassing on our property in a way that we don't support and we need your help to remove those people. so that's basically what law enforcement can do, particularly in these private spaces, private universities, things like that. so they're going to come in and try to help disperse the people who are no longer welcome in that space and they're gonna do it by

announcing that you have to leave and setting a deadline. but ultimately that removal of people becomes a very confrontational and hard to watch spectacle. but again, like law enforcement is very limited in the tools that they can bring to that conflict. and ultimately they bring those tools at the behest of university administrators. and chief ramsey. >> once a law enforcement is on the scene, what is the process of dealing with approach credit protests group that's been asked to disperse well, i mean, hopefully you always hope that people will do so peacefully. but clearly, in many of these instances, that's not taking place. so the officers will use a minimal amount of force but it doesn't look good and police are in the middle. i mean, you get asked to go to, the university to deal with the situation but what's being shown on tv or the cops in the

demonstrators and it just doesn't look good. so you do the best you can and try to resolve it peacefully. but the longer this goes, the more difficult is going to be in my opinion, many of these universities made a huge mistake by allowing these encampments to start in the first place. they only get larger and more difficult to get rid of. and so they're really behind the curve right now. you have graduations coming up pretty soon columbia university of texas those are the areas where the commencements going to take place. and many of these kids that are graduating they didn't have a high school graduation because of covid and now they may miss the opportunity to march in college. i'm it's not fair for them. >> andrew mccabe, charles ramsey. thank you. coming up next what we can expect tomorrow and the stand when prosecution testimony, the former i'm presenting new york trial picks back up. also will hear from independent women voters in the key state of north carolina from across the political spectrum, would they have to say but how the trial and a conviction would affect

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this case there is a period in this trial. this is it's about falsified documents where we're going to have to see some documents and not the sort of narrative testimony that we got from david pecker. >> and the idea that this was rushed is important for the prosecution to kind of show that the urgency of it before the election exactly. >> the first one that michael cohen was setting up was to handle the reimbursement to ami for paying charon google ultimately, ami call that off instead, they didn't want to do the reimbursement. the second one was for the stormy daniels payment and we've seen the creation of these companies through the documents on friday and now we'll get the sense of the money trail from here. >> i wondering and also former federal prosecutor, cnn senior legal analyst elie honig, and best-selling author, geoffrey tube and jeff who would, you expect take the stand next? >> there. they are working up to michael cohen. i don't know if he will be next, but he will be soon, but these this testimony, it's not the most thrilling stuff in the world to see the czechs and the financial transactions put in into evidence. but this is is

going to corroborate michael cohen. it's going to be very important testimony that the prosecution is going to say, look, michael cohen didn't invent these transactions here are the money that pet changed hands. here is how it was done here it was when it was done so it's very important that this testimony come before michael cohen because it will corroborate him, at least in part, when he does take this and that's important if you're given his credibility problems. >> yeah, i'm look, the goal of prosecutors, the task that prosecutors have to deal with is they have to support michael cohen every possible way they can checks financial documents, ledgers, other witnesses because they understand michael cohen is a rickety witness. he's got he has major credibility problems and what they want to be able to do is stand in front of the jury, however many weeks we're now and say, you don't have to take michael cohen's word at face value on any of this because every important thing he said to you is backed up by some document or some other witness that's the whole ballgame here in my view, there's also another gag order hearing

scheduled for later this week. >> all right. on thursday, there's a gag order hearing for four new violations are alleged violations that prosecutors have already brought up i mean, we could get a ruling on the initial gag order violations as are the ten violations that were argued before the judge last week, in that case the judge said that trump's lawyers weren't really giving him anything to hang his hat on. he seemed really please skeptical of their arguments while trump didn't violate the gag order. so one thing we'll be looking for tomorrow is does the judge rule on that before the hearing on thursday, which is a separate set of statements. >> one thing i find somewhat strange is that he hasn't ruled on the first set of gag order. alleged gag order violations yet because i mean, part of the reason you haven't the gag order is you want to stop any sort of bad behavior on the part of the people who were gagged. >> there is a good case that trump has already violated it but the judge hasn't ruled on it yet. now, it's like a perpetual motion machine he keeps violating the gag order more according to the

prosecution. so they keep extending more hearings there should be a ruling very soon. >> i'm mystified by this. i mean, i'm officially retired from the art of predicting when this judges rule on this because i think i've said every day it has to be today and i think he's leaving the door open. i wasn't judge merchan is doing a good job so far. he's the dutch. i would like to appear in front of as a prosecutor, he's keeping order and efficiency in that courtroom. but this is a blind spot for him. i don't get what the delay is in terms. i mean, is it likely stormy daniels would be called as a likely karen mcdougal would be cool. i think, yes. >> on both probably, i think because there necessarily helpful let's say not not necessarily necessary, but helpful to the prosecution in sort of playing out this case and showing the jury who the human beings we're here. but the thing to keep in mind, i'm really looking for how was the defense going to cross examine them because neither of them has testimony that goes to the heart of the crime, the heart of the crime has jeff was saying before it's not the alleged affairs, it's not the hush money, it's not the national enquirer. it's the way that those financial transactions were structured

and accounted for and an effective cross of stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, both of whom, i mean, you've met anderson, i think seem likable and personable enough and effective cross would just be to go, you don't have the first idea how these payments to you were accounted for in the bucks. do you and they'll say no, that's fine, but that's that would be an effective cross. i agree. but we're not going to do it, but yeah, that is they're not going to do it because the defense lawyers here have to please their client and their client wants them wants him to fight once they're his lawyers to fight on every issue, even if a the short cross like that might be more effective elie honig, jeffrey tube and kara scannell. thanks so much. we'll stay on the topic, obviously with a look at how women voters all undecided in north carolina from cross the political spectrum are reacting to this trial. part of a continuing series by our randy k. that's america is in a race for its future our nation who wanted oil and natural gas? >> it's to make us more energy independent we have the

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randy k. recently sat down with undecided republican, democratic, and independent women voters in north carolina, which the former president narrowly won in 2020, it's part of three 60s continuing series that 53% which is the average proportion of women voters and presidential elections since 2000 randy's report but i'm john, would you like a plate it's not the catch and kill that's the issue. >> it's the cover up. that's the worst part. it's the devil's in the cover up. >> well, the accountant but numbers don't add up math. completely sees himself as teflon like he does nothing sticks to him. and i'm one of these is going to have to take him down. i just can't see how you slither out of 90 plus charges how many of you believe

that trump should be on trial for this? >> raise your hand. >> all of you. >> there is not only smoke, there is fire. >> how many times can you say it's a witch on i'm personally tired hearing it. >> so if he's misappropriating campaign funds or election funds, then yeah, he needs to be prosecuted if we have one person who is above the law then what is the purpose of the law sure. >> counting wrote it down right recorded it. >> you got witnesses who said you did it. >> it's what he's paying for it even in this story because the porn star that we're characterizing singing castigated the women. >> they were doing a job. so prosecutors say that trump has violated his gag order, attacking prosecutors, witnesses, jurors does any of this surprise you that this person has something more powerful than money. he has an audience, he has rabid audience that is very willing to do whatever they want. so then does does even $1,000 per

violation or going to jail for any period of time. is that enough, given his influence, he's going to have to go to solitary because secret service cannot write, cannot protect that came in general population. >> i don't care what him under the jail i do not we do not shriek from putting other inmates in solitary confined, right? >> that's fine. >> there. and shut up. he could talk to the walls. he can talk to the i don't care when it comes to your president, do ethics matter the leadership of the free world? >> yeah, ethics matter so of course they matter, doesn't care about it, doesn't and he doesn't care about anyone except himself. some of those stories might have deterred some of that electric from actually voting for him, especially for the far right sayyed of the republican party. none of trump's family has been in court with them to show your work, including wife melania?

>> she did her duty when she served for years and that was her servant for you? yeah. yeah. she did not sign up to serve no trial. >> she's going to be criticized for not showing up. she's going to be criticized for showing up. >> and if it were i take the bullet on not showing up when he was in office, she had no choice but to be present. >> now, she has a choice to say, i don't need to be part of it. >> if trump is convicted in this hush money case, would any of you still consider? you're voting for him convicted? no. >> no, no. not if convicted. how do you allow them to have somebody do an executive order? when the thing convicted of a crime, right. if you break the law and it's been proven, how can you dictate you break the laws and attorney your licenses? second ultimately is a public servant. so if you are going to be paying people hush money tell me how we can trust you with the highest office in this country. >> but aside from that is how do you enforce any puns? >> which meant that he's given

if the measurement is jail, the argument is going to be butterfly of alcatraz. i look we have one talking about them all back yeah they did anderson we talked to them about david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer and he's the one who took the immunity deal, as you know, and then was the first witness for the prosecution and they felt that even though he had taken the immunity deal, he was a credible witness and we did have two women who are lawyers in our group. i also talked to them, anderson about their concerns about what might happen if donald trump is can victim in this case. and they do have real concerns that it would just ignite his base, reignite his base really, and that they would see this as a baseless conviction. if that does happen. and then that

would just be another reason that they would say that was another attempt at stealing the election. so they have real concerns about that anderson, but you could hear how really it's costed. they are with donald trump and there were two women in our group who had voted for donald trump so they are undecided, but certainly very turned off by donald trump and very concerned about what might happen in this, in this trial if he's convicted and also concerned about his role in this whole scheme, anderson. >> all right. randy, thanks so much coming up next to cnn exclusion the suv of gangs in haiti controlling whole neighborhoods and uk capital or david culver made a dangerous journey into one gangs territory, interview their leader. he's on the fbi's ten most wanted fugitives list. >> david's report is as you can see, a lot of hits sail through the heart of historic cities, an unforgettable scenery with faking, unpack once, and get closer to iconic luck and marks local life and cultural treasures because when

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country. just last week, haiti's prime minister officially announced his resignation, giving power to a transitional council that will try to restore order. the ganglia are who spoke was seen as david culver is one of many accused of helping destabilise the caribbean nation it shouldn't, as i mentioned, he's one of the fbi's ten most wanted fugitives because with david found in his exclusive report this war torn the intersection in port-au-prince is the blurred boundary signaling. we are now in gang territory this is an area where you have never been into before were told to drive to this road and someone will meet us. >> he is i shared is that he's sending somebody into we are to just wait for that person it looks like a vehicle here the truck the armed man in the front seat, motion for us to follow. so we do over rocky and flooded streets were venturing deeper into land that for

months, haitian security experts it's have warned stay away from it. >> but we'd been assured by this gangs leader that will be safe we only hope his messaging reached all the checkpoints before guys in the car behind this as well. so fully escorting is in now they've added a motorbike with two guys after 45 they've minutes. they're asking if you several dozen masked men and women, those carrying guns, direct us towards a driveway by this guy in front of us. now to be leading us to some sort of house good without to step out and meet vitel'homme, innocent considered by both us and haitian authorities to be a violent criminal and leader of the crossbar e. a. gang. he's one of the fbi's ten most wanted with a bounty of up to $2 acute who's done the kidnapping of american missionaries and the death of another american hostage. >> it alone rarely seeks media attention. >> yet given he commands what

some us officials say is the largest gang in port-au-prince and his domain includes the us embassy. we wanted to better understand his motives get alone agrees to meet us. hi there. on his turf. i'm david flanked by his followers. he leads us inside this flashy mansion and so is this your home? in a room filled with gold rimmed furniture and stuffed animals. i asked him about the crisis engulfing haiti exactly our dream is to rid the country of the corrupt oligarchs in politicians who are holding us back. he says, we need to get rid of the system and returned stability to haiti he speaks with intention and calls for greater dialogue what if it's the same system that's been in power then as armed groups, we will never put down our weapons. he says and so do you have regular communications with as you say, the other armed groups? we

phone? >> yes. we're united. he tells me the gangs have formed a coalition known as von living together and collectively they pushed back on foreign intervention, holding tight their grips over are state, some using terror tactics like kidnapping, rape, and murder to sustain country parole. >> is that something you've participated in an ordering your men and women to kidnap he says he hopes to defend itself against those allegations and while not denying his followers have kidnapped people, he deflects blame to outside forces for creating a state of corruption as he sees it, he is eager to show us other parts of his home and territory and introduces us to his top commander for your his cousin security experts suggest across baraye has more than 1,000 armed gang members including recently escaped inmates. >> as you can see, a lot of his armed soldiers and followers are around us and he suggested

that we follow in dr. with them he brings us to the edge of his territory. >> we notice his guards normally curious and watching us are instead looking outward cautiously toward another gangs territory. a reminder that the coalition of gangs might be more fragile well then portrayed in the midst of our tour and disturbing video starts circulating on whatsapp. it reportedly shows that devastating and deadly aftermath of an allied gang attack on a community a few miles from where we are the destruction, the violence, the deaths that have played out. do you take any responsibility for that? >> because unless it is wonky, typically if he only says he made mistakes and is not perfect, he blames politicians were interrupted, something nearby puts his guards on edge we pick up the conversation a short distance away senior editor caitlin hu, further pressing for an explanation to the we've seen in haiti. but

we have also met in hospitals women, children, innocent people who've been burned of course, leave their homes it has been shocked, who have been raped why are innocent people suffering in this struggle simple sensibility is awestruck if he does not clearly answer, instead, he frames the months of deadly street violence as collateral damage. >> he points the finger at police saying they refuse to engage in dialogue and instead recklessly opened fire. police say they're desperately trying to keep the gangs from gaining more ground veto long claims to be a man of faith to vout in practicing voodoo, a common religion here in haiti i've heard rumors and i don't know how true they are. so i asked you that you have voodoo protection. do you feel that protection yes. >> he tells me confidently adding that he prays daily for his fellow haitians ultimately, what is it going to take? to bring stability and a future of

calm to this country. >> movies. plus eqip. >> he says he and the other armed groups need to be included in discussions of haiti's future. that's the only way he sees convincing gang members to drop their guns in exchange for a future outside of violence avec your system as curfew nears, we head back the way we came, pete alone, stopping several times along the way, mingling with locals and in our food, smiling as though on a campaign trail we're going he wants us to meet these two men blind refugees. >> they tell us veto long took them in, but it leaves us wondering why help these men enforced so many others out of their homes? look at actions over words. he tells me as we near the edge of his territory and the end of our five-hour

visit hi that's not hang around here be the alarm gets out of his motorcade, waves for us to move forward. >> and strolls to the desolate street corner. >> i'll abortion. >> he then comes to our door and shakes each of our hands his actions intentional and symbolic here we are just blocked in the embassy fairly demonstration of how competent he is and he has around him his playing, their show of force flight let's see an strength in a lawless nation where today at least gangs hold the power and david joins us now, what, what's the latest with the kenyan police force? that's supposed to one day com and this transitional council, did they i mean, is there any hope? ahead for haiti in terms of regaining control of the streets right? >> so this is the mss, the

multinational security support they are referring to andersen. and as of now, it's on hold until the transitional council is able to vote for an actin prime minister or somebody to take charge. that's what the kenyans were asking for, and that's why they held off because they said right now, nobody is really in charge, so we don't want to send them into total dysfunction. but now it seems like with this transitional council now in place they are moving towards some sort of stability in trying to establish them that mss to come in, what's really interesting is last week, there was a breaking of the seal, if you will, at the port-au-prince airport, it's been shut down to commercial flights for several weeks. we've had to go in through various other means, including helicopters to figure out how to tell the story. but the breaking of the seal came when a us fixed-wing aircraft touchdown and it was quite symbolic there because it's bringing in officially some added supplies for the us embassy in port-au-prince, which happens to be in vitro lumps territory. but it also

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ucla. i was at ucla yesterday there have 48,000 students. and again, we're talking about a couple of hundred, so less than 1%. >> and how many of them were actually students? a lot of them are not students, so they conceal their faces entirely. >> so you can't even tell who's an outside agitator and who's an actual student, but it's sad the way that like all the kids deserved to be able to study all the kids deserve a commencement. all the kids deserve a graduation and a small minority or disrupting the disrupting the opportunity for everyone and just violating the rules. >> what would you like to see universities doing that they are not currently yeah. i mean, it's really, it's sort of bizarre the way the press president, sir, stumbling, i think, but there are some simple things to do. number one, they do need to re institute law and order like president's somerset earlier, not with excessive force, but you need to make sure the students understand they've got to play by the rules. so number one, you need to make sure all the students are safe i've

talked enough jewish students to know they feel intimidated and managed and there haven't been consequences. so that's under two. >> if you violate the rules administration should make concessions to you. as we saw happen at columbia northwestern, there needs to be consequences. again, if you violate the rules, you should be suspended like anyone else. then number three. no full face masking. again, i just don't think it's appropriate and it doesn't impinge upon your freedom of speech. you that you shouldn't dress up like an isis fighter, right? like there's no rule that says the school needs to tolerate students oregon at outside activists dressing like there now keda, we also had an incident where one of the student leaders at columbia talked openly to administrators about the thing zionist shouldn't live and they didn't do anything is hard to understand why they're making concessions rather than consequences. but you're right, like kill the zionists a threatening their other classmates. this is not just dangerous for jewish students,

although it is, it's also dangerous for all of us, like this isn't normal. this isn't what college is supposed to be. >> and we need to finally get to diminish to remember a small fringe shouldn't ruin the experience for everyone even as we do that, i'll just say, let's keep in mind, we've gotta have fierce hope for these hostages were still being held in gaza, as well as deep compassion for the palestinian civilians who are suffering. jonathan greenblatt. thank you. the news continues right here on cnn outright. >> next, the breaking news police and protesters facing off tonight, dozens arrested in austin, texas columbia university and chaos. hundreds right now, defined hang a deadline to vacate the encampment plus trump's favorite network back-tracking. now pulling a salacious story about two major witnesses in trump's hush money trial could the false story impact the case and she's back. marjorie taylor greene returning to the capital tonight, promising to kick out mike johnson as