are now tied. and rfk jr. is lurking right there at 17% in trump's words, he suggests that he thinks a lot of that 17% is actually stealing from his vote share. now again, the truth social post spells it all out. a vote for junior would essentially be a wasted protest. vote trump rights that could swing either way, but would only swing against the democrats if republicans knew the trues story about him. him being rfk jr. now, if you think the problem will just go away, trump may evolve again, kennedy is proving there are new reasons why it won't. he just announced tonight that his name will appear on the ballot in the state of california as of today thank you for watching news night tonight. laura coates live starts right now. >> cnn's breaking news we

begin with breaking news. >> and what is now one of the deadliest day is for launch horseman in america. cnn has learned that will fourth officer has died after a shooting and stand off. it shot with karolina were told to us marshals taskforce was trying to serve a warrant for possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. but local police chief says that as officers approached the suspect's home, someone began treating with the high high-powered rifle officers killed assess back, but as the police approach, they faced more gunfire, for other officers were injured, and he's got a photo of one of the officers killed child officer joshua ire. >> please say the six-year veteran died with his wife and his family by his side everyone of us wants to be in a situation where they got you get up this morning and get to come back home? >> and someone didn't today keep your prayers, keep your faith, makes sure that these

officers who we have families have people to reach out and held them up because they all need this officers took a woman and 17 year-old into custody. >> this is one of the deadliest days for police since 2016 when 05 authors were shot and killed in dallas. joining us now is semester jones, former assistant director of the us marshals service, and author of the book, hunting criminals to hiding them. he joins us now, so that's where thank you so much for joining us. and what is a very difficult night, i can imagine what those families are enduring. this very evening. the local police chief called it the most tragic shooting that he has seen. it is more than 30 year career. what is your reaction tonight laura, thank you for having me. >> it's my heart is heavy and i was watching news coverage early with my family and i just couldn't believe it my sincere

prayers and thoughts are with the families of the fallen officers, and obviously i'm retired from the us marshals service. we'll the deputy marshall today. so my heart is heavy and then i just learned that the fourth officer pass so like like you said, it's a very tough de i just send my prayers and thoughts out to those family members that survivors, especially early on one of the things that we want to do when we go out and i've been on many a fugitive cooperation we want to come home to our families and so difficult day i mean, the execution of a warrant and trying to get a warrant out to have someone away. >> it's it really is a service the community to try to ensure that someone who's it's thought to be dangerous is not out and about on the streets.

and as someone who's worked for the marsal, but as you have, i do wonder what questions do you have now about how the task force approach the operation? do we know any details about the nature of the person they were trying to serve or anything else? >> as i understand it, this person was ahead of firearms issues of violations, and we take those who known that i have farms and have the propensity to use them very seriously. i am not certain how the approach went and what type of residential apartment that they were entering because i've been on hundreds of these operations and the fugitive taskforce was led by the us marshals service and we partner with the state and local partners that's gives us a lot

more as far as force projection, we get more officers, the local officers, obviously, a lot of ties and noted the local areas better than some of the us working in the marshal service. so it's a great part but it seems like and i don't know laura that the as they made the approach that somehow the person eight was trying to serve the warrant on may have seen them and just opened up on i'm took the advantage, so it looks like surprise was not on law enforcement side, which is of course, what you would want to happen. >> you want it i have the surprise element of it to undermine anyone's opportunity to do anything such as this. and someone who lives near the crime scene says that marshals actually set up a sniper and one of his rooms during the sand up. so what does that tell you about how all this

unfolded? >> well if i heard the same thing that a sniper was set up, so that lets me know that we had to react to the force that was put on the offices that a team they tried to serve the warrant so in order to take away that it advantage of the column of perpetrate or abandoned. he was it was warning about the courts. when you when you put a sniper in there, that's leveraging the playing field? so what we can take them out obviously, these, this individual, to me somehow found out or or saw them the offices what's come in and opened up first. and i just want to add that. i remember about 15 years ago when we had several similar shootings,

which task force involved in deputy marshals and local offices that i know that we were there were some additional training put in please and the use of that was heavy shields were put in place. so it doesn't look like this task force even had a chance to employ shields you can fire well, so that's or jones i mean, what it truly sad day to think about the loss of life and simply trying to do their jobs. >> and again, now we learned a fourth officer has passed surrounded by his wife and his family. such a tragedy. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you for having to having me, laura, and again, prayers and my thoughts are with the family and their survival. so which include the cup the officers it's tough on everyone. so thank you thank

you so much so tragic. >> and also tonight, we are following unrest and that is spreading on college campuses from coast-to-coast, really even hundreds of people have now been arrested and tonight, columbia university says, it's begun to students who refuse to vacate the on-campus encampment by the 2:00 p.m. deadline. they said by the administration now, texas state police was also in riot gear. they arrested at least six people at the university of texas austin, just this very afternoon. and then there's this new video out of virginia commonwealth university. but please have begun arresting pro-palestine protesters tonight. during what the university now calls a quote, unquote violent protests. and there are no signs of the protests ending anytime soon. donald trump and republicans are seizing on the chaos trump doubling down, demanding an all caps, stop the protests now looking at pictures like this, by the way, showing the columbia campus back in 1968, flooded with

protesters has led some people to drop to that all right in an op-ed on cnn.com, princeton professor julian zelizer lays it out in black and white saying quote the term, while we're seeing brings back memories of the widespread student protests of 1968. a comparison that won't be lost given that the democratic national convention this year will take place in chicago chicago, where in 1968, violins spread from the streets on to the convention floor. but there are some crucial differences. the most important and 1968, young men in america were being sent to fight and die fortunately, in vietnam and that may be why they're such a stark difference when you look at the polling about these issues in 1968, gallup asked people under the age of 30, what was the most important problem facing the united states? 46% said vietnam, that's nearly half. of course, that compare it to what harvard's institute of

politics found when they asked people young people, which foreign policy issue concerns them, most 2% said gaza in a moment. the presidential candidate who was arrested in the middle of a protest, jill stein is here also tom foreman at the magic wall to explain what protesters say they actually want. but first, miguel marquez is just across the street from columbia university for us tonight. miguel, thank you so much for being there. and following this story for us so closely as you have been telling me what is happening at this hour well, the protesters are still in the quad and the center are about 300 feet from where we're standing. >> right now, the suspensions have begun, which means however many are in there, probably several dozen once they tried to use their ids to get into other bills buildings, the student union building, or other places to get food is rushing. go back to their rooms they won't be able to do that. >> also today, there were fairly sizable, several dozen

protests justice outside the gates here. this is the front gate to columbia university in support of the protesters inside we've heard a couple of chance, a little bit of cheering tonight. but right now, everything is very, very calm up here. >> laura, is that the way they're notifying students of their suspension that they will understand that they are suspended at that point in time. there's no advanced notice. otherwise well, they've already told them that if they did not clear out by 2:00 p.m. but they face to face expulsion and/or suspension. so they're making good on that promise. it does seem that the way this thing will layout is that they will suspend identify all of the students who are in that area, the encampment because it's lots of lots of tents in there. it doesn't seem that a lot of those tensor for being used once they identify them, they can suspend them once there are no more, quote, unquote students in that encampment. and it seems at some point, it pushes going to come to shove and they're going to have to get them to

move out laura, do you have a sense of how long columbia is going to let the tenth or the encampment remain at this point that is the big question. >> so classes into today we're getting into finals very soon in a couple of weeks is commencement the area where those tents sorry. right now is part of this massive sort of commencement area that they set up in the main lawn in at columbia university. so they will have to get in there and set all that up at some point. a lot of the individuals that are graduating this year were denied a graduation that their high school because of the pandemic. so administrators here at columbia are quick to point that out to them as well, that at some point they have to get back to be institution of higher learning laura mega marquez. thank you so much. your report will continue to follow along with what's happening while the demands from protesters are varying at each university, there is some connective tissue. most are

calling for divestment but what exactly does divestment mean cnn's tom forms at the magic wall to break it all down. for as tom, laura divestment simply put, means to sever financial ties with corporations that profit from israeli actions toward palestinians. that's the core definition. there are other things that may add to it, but that's mainly what they're driving at here. and potentially, there would be a lot of targets for that us trade with israel and 2022 $50.6 billion. so in a nutshell, that's what they're saying cut off the financial ties from the people who are benefiting from what israel is doing right now. >> so how practical or easy would this be for universities to divest? and he this request that's when it gets tricky. we know already that portland state has said they will take no more gifts or grants from boeing because boeing makes some weapons. brown as saying that if the students will break up there, they will discuss divestment. here's the tricky

part. yeah. if you talk about something like weapons, it's fairly easy to say if university is money and go into a company that makes weapons that are being used in gaza right now, fairly easy for them to say we see your complaint here. but what about other things like technology, computer science, public health transportation, space energy, and renewables, all of which are in trade in some fashion with israel for example, what if you said, we as a university are invested in computer science. we do cloud storage and cloud storage. that's used by public health suddenly everyone says that's great, but one of that same cloud storage is also used by a weapons company or by a military firm. that's why this gets so tricky so soon to figure out what this is being used for and it's also complicated as you know, are because so much investing these days is done by funds that include a lot of different hedge funds and mutual funds. and it's harder to figure out exactly what you're investing in, because most of these

universities aren't just invested in individual companies, they're invested in funds that involve a lot of things all at once. so the question would be then, given the process and the complexity of it does divesting work, so to switch, the proponents of it will say it does work. >> one example they would use goes back almost 40 years at columbia when they had protests. they are about apartheid in south africa. and they wanted the university to cut ties there the protests went on for several weeks. a good bit of time later, the university indeed did step away from investments that involve american express for coca-cola, and chevron simply because those companies were doing business in south africa now the question is, did they step away because of the protests or because they just thought we just don't want to be tied up in this anymore. people can debate that till the cows come home. the reality is there's certainly a big symbolic importance to these types of protest for the people out

there. they think that's enough. it puts it in the front pages. it may six people discuss it, but in terms of financial impact, there was a researcher at yale who said, look, universities, all of them in all of their investments only own about one-tenth of 1% of public companies they could divest themselves of everything they own on that front and financially, it might not make such a difference, especially since there are other people out there ready to scoop up what they get rid of. >> so symbolically very important to people in a practical sense, you could have a big debate about whether it really makes much difference. >> i want to point out one more thing. laura were thinking about here. >> we all not all, but many, many, many americans have retirement funds and they have college funds, have all sorts of things. >> were they have invested money. it's fully possible that people who are very much against, people who are involved in this protest may have in their own families portfolio money's tied to the very caused that there fighting against right now. and they

haven't been able to tease that out either. it's complicated. >> symbolically, it means a lot to them. >> so important, this really complex as you describe it. and of course it's always important to understand what the message is and then whether you can get from point a to point b in a meaningful way, especially as you mentioned, i think you said brown would say if you guys disburse, then we can even discuss this. is this where they begin town form and thank you so much well, as pro-palestinian demonstrations spread on the nation's college campuses. protesters have been arrested by the dozens green party presidential candidate jill stein is one of them. here is video posts social media of the moment, dr. stein was arrested at a pro-palestinian rally, and washington university in st. louis over the weekend. she joins me now. thank you so much for being here. dr. sayyed, we're just talking with my colleague about the connective tissue and the ask and what's happening. i am really interested in why were you at the protests? did you intend or no, or even

anticipate that you could get arrested know, i certainly wasn't thinking about getting arrested. >> i attended the encampment to basically show support for the students because they are putting everything on the line. their career there's their graduation, their housing. you name it really, their lives are very much on the line here and taking these actions. and to my mind, they are upholding the highest values of american society in opposing genocide and also standing up for our constitutional rights to free speech and to to the right to protest so i had been invited by some students to stop by the encampment, which i did, then i was asked to please try to de-escalate the situation with the administration. and i went to talk to one of the assistant chancellor's who was there along with some of the the

select board members who were also there from st. louis. we went we tried we didn't succeed. and within an hour or two, it's not just that we got arrested, we got assaulted. we were assaulted with bikes used as weapons, and really brutalized and beat up and then thrown to the ground arms handcuffed behind our backs with the zip ties. and then walked over. so in that film, you showed at the start that was the very end of a process that was extremely brutalizing and violence island. and i would point out that these tactics that are being used by the police have actually been imported from the israeli defense forces, which we now call the israeli occupation forces, who've been undertaking these training programs in most of states, at least many states it's uncertainly in georgia, in louisiana, in texas, the

israeli occupation forces are part, well, these international training programs for police and importing these very oppressive techniques that are used on palestinians. they're now coming back gives me that i don't want to, i want to hear to say but there are many people who would obviously hear that and say, well, police have been engaged in arrests and taking people down. and the way that we've seen on the screen. and done certainly well before, if there has been any involvement of the idf whatsoever, what you've described the experience of it is certainly not nothing to thumb one's knows that, but i do wonder what you call their highest of ideals and people who are highest it's not a moment if i may, because it's actually began in 2011. and this was analyzed after the michael brown run i had some the very brutal actions of the police force. >> in fact, in taking down michael michael brown, that

that police force, the st. louis police force had actually been trained starting at that time by the idf and in an analysis done by ebony magazine, it was pointed out that extremely violent tactics were being imported along with these programs of sending surplus military equipment to our state's and our to our cities, towns for the absolutely here. >> i do here you dr. side. my point remains that police and the allegation of police brutality as far predated 20 11, even without the training of israel, it that also exists, but i want to move on to the other point, and that is the larger issue you're talking about because the use of force in whatever manner has been used at a school and has been used in this context. and of course, the idea that you're describing some schools, sorry it's a spending student protests or they've asked officers to come onto the grounds as well. do you think that suspension or the type of

punishment that you have endured is appropriate for the student body absolutely not. >> i do think that the students are standing up for our right to protest are right to increase speech and for a value which is basically stopping this genocide in seeking to use economic boycotts and sanctions in order to raise the pressure to do that much like boycotts in south africa. and to your point, yes, violence has been inflicted by police for a long time and in the columbia protests against the vietnam war 700 students were arrested and 150 were actually hospitalized due to the police brutality. at that time. so yes, this is the problem not the. lesson what you're describing, if the if the lesson is to recall and course-correct from those moments, what would this, what should the school's be doing? i know this is an issue that's very important to you. what, what do you think ought to be

done? especially when you do have some divergent viewpoints from the student body as to the violation of school policy is what what do you think got to be done here so after the columbia unrest in 1968, there were policies adopted by the university to ensure that there would be due process that there would be sufficient warning in advance. >> and that's all being violated right now. it's being piloted by the administration, which which is why the faculty of vehemently objects to what's being done and why the faculty came out in great numbers to actually surround the encampment and to help protect the students because they feel like due process is being violated. there's there's the the fear of an emergency, but there is no danger here. the dangerous being forwarded along with the police. these are riot police, which are creating a riot. the protests themselves and the encampments i've been to many of them. they've been extremely

peaceful. they've been educational they have been extremely calm and community building. so i think the use of police here is entirely unjustified. this is a difficult subject as a person of jewish background, i know there's a lot of merging now about zionism that merits a, a review of relook. this is a very hard conversation for people who are new to it as jews, we'd been raised to be extremely dedicated design isn't based on really a false history with revenue relations and disclosures of documents that have previously been kept secret historic share their zionism, excuse me, i'm sorry, i didn't do you do you do not believe in zionism? >> absolutely not. no. i think that zionism is different from judaism and it is entirely wrong to conflate the two being against zionism, which i regard as essentially a matter of ethnic cleansing and land theft. essentially that is the

purpose of zionism to take land that belonged to other people. yes jews have indeed been horribly traumatized and victimized, but that doesn't then allow one group to take land and displace another group. so the definition, and i don't want to cut you off. >> i do want to have a conversation, but the definition of zionism, as i understand it, and obviously this is part of, i think the challenge for so many people at perhaps the learning curve for many is steeper. in the times we're in. but i do wonder with the definition of zionism is not synonymous with ethnic cleansing. by definition, but you think it is? >> it depends who's defining it, i guess. >> but the moment i'm asking are defining it i understand the zionist movement as the influx of jews who presumed that this land belong to them. and to look at the actions of the israeli government, they are a attempting to take this

land back and to drive the occupants out of this land altogether. >> and that has been very much the policy of israel well, before it was a state since the zionist movement began, you can talk to jews who lived together with muslims and christians in palestine, four centuries. and it was a peaceful place. it was only with the advent of the zionists who felt like this long this land belonged to them, that the violence came and many jews left as well as christians and palestinians with the entry of the zionist, this is a very difficult topic for people of jewish background to come to terms with. and i see this as someone who grew up in the 60s. i see this as remarkably similar to the very difficult wakeup of the white community with a civil rights movement in the 19. this was a difficult conversation that involved confronting the many institutions of white supremacy

and the varying challenging conditions of racism that were endemic in our schools. and housing and so on. it's a hard conversation to be had and it cannot be shut down. i think it's really important to have it, especially because our textile colors are funding this war, which the american is vehement, protest. >> well this is the interesting thing about politics and generalizations there are so many people who i often hear this in my line of work as i'm sure you do as well. that i hear very different viewpoints on the complexity of this issue and personal opinions to that regard. and i do wonder if politics considers each and every aspect of it. my suspicions is that it does not. but this conversation has been very thought-provoking for me today. thank you for joining us. >> dr. jill stein. everyone opening statements in the case that's become a true crime obsession de charon raid killer, police officer, boyfriend, running him down and

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murder charges, but she insists that she didn't do this her attorney says, read is the fall woman and the murder cover-up that she had nothing to do with karatay was framed or car never struck john o'keefe she did not cause his death not means that somebody else the true crime case has riveted this nation fueled speculation and pitted people in the town of 25,000 people against each other. >> protesters flooded town meetings calling for an independent investigation. allegations of a over up and police corruption are running rampant. the local da refutes those theories, but some people aren't buying it karen read could be any one of us thank god. she has the money in the means to fight this. but if it was us, one of everyday person, we'd be in jail by now and you

wouldn't even know about them joining us now, peter elkan, criminal defense attorney and abby potkin, staff writer with boston thank you. both for being here. this story intrigued me from the very moment that i saw this case, abby, i want to ask you, what do we know happened the night that jon o. keep died back in january of 2022? >> so we know that he and karen read one out with friends they had a night of drinking there was an afterparty at one person's home. they were invited back with the group witnesses say that they saw karen reed's car pull up outside the home. they claim that o'keefe never entered the home. they saw the car pull away. they assumed that the couple of left so i mean, there's a lot of theories about what really happened because obviously i think his body was found in that location. why why do you think this case is getting so much attention?

>> yes. so we've really seen this movement build-up around karen read protests hashtags, people wearing pink and solidarity with her outside her trial and as we saw in the clip earlier, if you speak to some of the folks at the heart of this movement they really see themselves in karen they think of this as an underdog tail. and they would want someone to stand up for them if they were in her shoes. can only bring you in here. peter l. again because karen read has a pretty high powered defense attorney so what is her alibi well, what they are saying is that he inside the that he went inside the house and that he was beaten up and they said that all the evidence the defense is saying is that it looked like he was badly beaten and not hit by a car. >> and as a matter of fact, the fbi actually brought in some experts and they also said

nobody is concluded how he was actually killed. so those are the two competing arguments. and this is very rare most times i see a murder trial. it you we know that how the person died. yeah, there's a bullet and i'm now let's figure out if you have a proof beyond a reasonable doubt here. they haven't even nailed down after over two years the cause of death was he hit by a car or was he a beaten? and they said there's there's all kinds of dog bite marks on his arm up and down the arms and all kinds of different defensive wounds. and it's nothing like being hit by a car. and that's why i hate to say this this case is it may come down to and i hate to use this cliche battle of the experts because for every sort of forensic study you have in this case, there's another opposing one from the other side, and hopefully we can get to the bottom of things in in this case some label to think about what's happening and how so many people had been looking at this case. and of course, the allegations of these bombshell claims and the police

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everyday million say, i use splenda. >> um, zachary cohen in washington, and this is cnn all right. my next guest says, pay no attention to the new poll in about dereference. >> but it does show donald trump with a steady lead in a head-to-head rematch against president biden, putting trump at 49% by knit 43. but my next guess go as far as to say that you can ken cosine that poll and even the ones showing trump losing. and just consigned to the flames. he and says biden

is still the man to beat in 2024 just to tell you who i'm talking about, it's professor allan lichtman whose correctly predicted nine of the last ten elections. and the one he got wrong 2000, he argues he actually got right it sounds al gore beat george w bush and the popular vote. so if not the polls what he using s is barometer. well, lichtman says, we should follow his 13 keys to the white house. now they're all listed here for you and they include things like incumbency and third-party candidates, state of the economy, and of course, social unrest i've six or more go against the party in the white house. it's candidate will lose fewer than six. it's candidate will win. so where did things stand right now? let's bring in allan lichtman to talk all about it. thank you so much for being here. listen, you have not made your official prediction yet. i see the keys, but why do you think that biden is in the dry? i've received now, when all these polls seem to say he should be worried

remember all the polls told us that hillary clinton would win in 2016 i predicted trump would win in 1988, as late as may and june george hw bush was trailing his opponent like caucus by 18 percentage points. he went on to win handily. paul's are snapshots. they are abused as predictors. the keys are different because they tap into the structure of how elections really work, which is that they have votes up or down on the strength and performance men's of the white house party. now, why does biden to have an advantage yeah, we hear all this concatenation. there should have been a younger candidate, but look at this biden wins the incumbency key, which you saw on your chart. he wins the contest key because he's not seriously opposed for the nomination. that means six more of my keys would have to fall to predict his defeat right now, he only loses two

party mandate based on how selections and 2022 and incumbent charisma because he's no franklin roosevelt. so former keys would have to fall. >> and there are four shaky keys that i haven't called yet. >> this is what you've viewer should keep your eye on to get the pundits, to get the polls. third party will rfk jr. emerge as we get closer as a truly significant third-party candidate social unrest, which we now see emerging campuses. will that be sustained? we don't know and of course foreign failure and success which depend on paan, what's coming happened in the middle east and in ukraine, all four would have to go against biden to predict his defeat. >> that's possible, but not highly likely. >> so what about the timeline for all this happens obviously, as you mentioned, some aspects of it it's up and down depending on the day that

length of these perhaps shake hands with the keys might not endure, but they could go longer. does there is there a particular cutoff? and when these keys have to be in hand there's no exact cutoff. >> sometimes the keys fall into place very early. i predicted the hod to call 2012 elections in 2010, but right now, because things are so fluid, i can make a final prediction, but i will tell you when you can have me on again, i expect to make my fine i don't in early august like i did in 2020 come on, give me a hint, right now. >> tell me tell me everything patel is just you and me, allen don't you have a whole bunch your viewers also listen well, you're going to talk about tell you, as i said, reiterate if it wasn't biden running, democrats would have lost the incumbency ski in the contest. >> he won't be at a terrible position biden winning those

two 0s and only been down four on being down to before shaky keys that i pointed out. all what to fall against him. so unlike the polls in the pundits, i've told you view is exactly what they should look for over the next several months. that's as far as i can go right now. >> all right. well i appreciate that. just next time will whisper think it'd be great. just was just you and i forget all the many viewers that are watching right now, like moscow, get back on the true inside scoop, but it's not what i've told them i'll good. >> well, i will by the lunch, but you only get water. thanks, allan, like men, nice. is thanks much. >> any time. >> i guess. okay well, ahead. trump dubbed florida's governor ron de sanctimonious during the peak of their primary file. now the very different tune after they met privately, not for lunch, but for breakfast, why they're burying the hatchet is next she

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liberal commentator, republican strategist for michael singleton. also here is going to contributor in new york times journalists and podcast host lulu garcia-navarro, glad to have both of you here. >> well, you giggled first or my first? why is desantis kissing the ring now, as he wanted to be called, wonderful you know what i think republicans are looking at biden and they smell blood. >> they think the president's week republicans who several months ago believe that donald trump didn't have a shot. look at, are now a little i see the face, but i'm just going to give you the think a lot of republicans, those who are now saying, you know what, we're going to support them. a lot of the donors who a couple of months ago or so, you know what we're just going to watch and let the process play out. are now saying, wait a minute here, we think biden is weak because of a plethora of issues the economy, immigration, young voters, et cetera. >> let's go ahead and back trump, because trump might actually be able to pull off a victory. >> but they said et before is one reason that he was running because he thought that biden was wiki presumed to be the candidate and the why do you think he's doing this now as he thinking and action be a vp

so yeah, let me just give you the face. >> first of all, i'm not floridian it's my governor, so let me just say this first of all, he's kissing the ring because he wants to remain the republican party and so like that is the republican nominee and he was playing hard to get. he was always going to come home to maga. >> that was never any doubt that that was going to happen. >> there was a bitter contest and he wanted to play hard to get. and he's finally come home and they've apparently patch it up according to donald trump also donald trump needs florida. i mean, he notice that ron desantis isn't the one that made this announcement. it was donald trump, you know, and it was them having this meeting and it was all kind of you know, this is all being made as a public relations tour donald trump meets florida and ron desantis needs donald trump but lulu, is it not fair to say that president biden is struggling? okay. but i i just

thought i just grew that. i mean i think we can all say that. sure republicans want to stick with the party by supporting the former president because they want those voters, but also think republicans are aware of, of the electoral realities here, and the electoral realities are several months ago, most people would say joe biden's going to win this thing by landslide. most people are not saying that today, and i think republicans are looking at that data. they're looking at what people are saying. wait a minute here. maybe we should go ahead and i guess kiss the ring if you will, because we might pull this ever said the job biden was going to win by lance lulu, there were a lot of very closely divided. >> this is a country in which this election was always going to be very contested. and at no point did anyone think that it was going to go be handed my byproduct friends thought that lulu, they a lot of them were saying, oh, there's no way you guys are going to win donald trump, president biden is going to win this thing by landslide. well, that doesn't appear to be the case. >> i think dentists listen, desantis is making a political calculation. donald trump is making a political calculation and, you know, what's so

joyous about this is seeing those comments that you play, what you could actually see, what they think of each other yeah. >> well, that's fine. i wouldn't have had a kumbaya prediction with golf clubs present for the two of them. i just like they were a little bit i don't know. it was just my interpretation think desantis is a very good golfer probably. be, his favor if he was not good, you don't want to lose the person needs to kiss the ring up, but let me ask you one person who was in mar-a-lago a lot was kari lake. right. and she was buying for the governorship in arizona. now, of course, she is a senate candidate and a source tying the post that trump's complain that she is spending too much time at mar-a-lago and his soured on her in many ways and lake because responded now, just few hours ago saying, quote, my friendship with its president in american history has never been stronger so it seems like desantis is back in the good graces, but she seems to be out. >> but notice but notice how interesting. so it was donald trump who said that now they've made up with desantis, but it is kari lake who's having to

say that she's made up with trump, whereas trump has not said anything about this. so this to me says, one thing is true and the other thing is not true. i am not convinced that kari lake is in donald trump's good graces there. >> but let's be honest, securely doesn't bring anything to donald trump. >> she brings nothing to the table. rhonda santos to a little those point. >> it's governor of a very popular state, a state where republican leaning, but also desantis can also help donald trump on the campaign trail. there, there are a lot of conservative republicans who aren't necessarily excited about voting for trump in november. >> and someone like ron desantis could be persuadable to some of those individuals kari lake is someone who's felled multiple times, running for office is a lot of republicans are sick of her. they're ready for her to move on. that's not the case with desantis. >> i don't care what you guys say. she brings the best lighting in the business. >> that's true. >> she got great job matter now, bad lighting i don't know if it's a ring light. i don't know what it is, but it's there. sure. michael, lulu, both. thank you so much. and thank you all for watching. and

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