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piecemeal way of this stop start piecemeal way of backing ukraine. donald trump is back in court where prosecutors are having him punished for making public attacks on witnesses. thejudge for making public attacks on witnesses. the judge says for making public attacks on witnesses. thejudge says he for making public attacks on witnesses. the judge says he will reserve judgment.— reserve 'udgment. here in court, donald reservejudgment. here in court, donald trump — reservejudgment. here in court, donald trump looks _ reservejudgment. here in court, donald trump looks on _ reservejudgment. here in court, donald trump looks on as - reservejudgment. here in court, donald trump looks on as the . reservejudgment. here in court, l donald trump looks on as the first witnesses back on the giving evidence. welcome to verified live. -- hello, i'm matthew amroliwala, welcome to verified live. sources in france telling one of those dead is a seven—year—old girl. our correspondent was on that beach in france as that boat tried to set off for the uk. take a look.
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there's a real battle going on on the beach here. must be more than 100 migrants trying to get to the water. they're letting off firecrackers to try and keep the police away from them, but the police are moving in. they're trying to stop them from getting to the water. let's go ahead and see what we can see. you can see the smugglers here. some of them have sticks. they're trying to protect the migrants as they head towards the sea. we have more footage of that beach at the time. let's take a look at that. our correspondent there told us that people move from the dark sand ——from dark sand dunes — ran across beach — dragging an inflatable boat. police tried to stop but didn't when on boardfrench maritime boats lots of people trying to get on board, french maritime boats were
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nearby, circling. ijust want to point out that our correspondent who was there at that time didn't know, of course, what was about to happen and didn't know that at that moment, there would later than be deaths on that boat. a short time ago, we got a statement from a french state official. translation: a new tragedy occurred on a boat overloaded with migrants - early this morning at around 5am off the coast of wimereux. the consequences were severe. five people reported dead — a seven—year—old girl, a woman and three men. the boat set sail from the plage des allemands in wimereux with an unprecedented 112 people on board. a few hundred metres from the coast, the engine stopped and several people fell into the water. the abeille normandie patrol boat was immediately tasked by the maritime prefect to rescue the shipwrecked crew. look at where this is happening. france, people trying to get from france, people trying to get from france to the uk. we have calais here, and just so there, where this
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incident took place, one of our correspondence was also at calais. so this is a separate incident, take a look what happened here. this boat appeared to be on the head water down there. it came across, it was tracked by a large naval vessel, which is just out there, blocking the way to the uk and bass boat got blown back into shorter, and as that happens, from the dunes, a very large group of about a0 migrants with children came across the sand, and as you can see now, are trying to get onto the boat, which was i have to say already crowded before they arrived and tried to climb on board. as you can see, they are trying to push the boat out back through the waves. i think that's going to be very difficult. we've just got to move back, because we are between the police and the
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migrants, so we will move back and show you this policing operation which is happening here. just to explain, the police try very, very hard to stop the migrants getting onto these boats. this boat was already at sea before the police came out of the beach and tried to stop what was going on. that was tom in the early hours of this morning. we will go live now and speak to him. talk us through these different attempts that we are seeing. is this because of the weather conditions? talk us through this. , ., . ., ., , this. yes, the weather conditions were pretty _ this. yes, the weather conditions were pretty good _ this. yes, the weather conditions were pretty good this _ this. yes, the weather conditions were pretty good this morning, l this. yes, the weather conditions i were pretty good this morning, and where we are now, which is actually where we are now, which is actually where that first incident happened some ten hours ago, that is where that first incident where people coming from the dunes, probably further down this way to get onto a boat, 115 people, far more than we really ever heard of trying to get onto one of the small boats. the incident that i saw was much further down the coast, north of calais,
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again, people coming out of the dunes this time coming into, the really long distances that the police here have to cover. it's about 70 km when you take it all into account. likely places where people can leave heading for the uk. they did it this morning because the sea was a lot flatter, it's a lot windier now. there was very little windier now. there was very little wind up back then. the skies were clear, you could see for miles. they did it despite the fact that the police were on the beaches, they were on both beaches and despite the fact, of course, that the commons had put this bill finally, manage to pass this bill which allowed the government and future to remove people to rwanda in the hope that thatis people to rwanda in the hope that that is a deterrent to the sorts of things we saw this morning. just on what ou things we saw this morning. just on what you saw. _ things we saw this morning. just on what you saw, give _ things we saw this morning. just on what you saw, give us _ things we saw this morning. just on what you saw, give us an _ things we saw this morning. just on what you saw, give us an idea - things we saw this morning. just on what you saw, give us an idea of. things we saw this morning. just on | what you saw, give us an idea of the size of the boats and the number of people trying to get on them. well. people trying to get on them. well, these boats. _ people trying to get on them. well, these boats, they _ people trying to get on them. well, these boats, they are _ people trying to get on them. well, these boats, they are pretty - these boats, they are pretty standard, actually. we think a lot
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of these bots are —— boats are being brought over eventually from china. they are basic rubber boats. they are not rigid inflatable boats at all. they are just rubber, are not rigid inflatable boats at all. they arejust rubber, you can press the sides and you often find them in the dunes deflated or waiting sometimes for migrants to grab them and take them onto the water. the police know this and try to slash the boats before they get to slash the boats before they get to the water. i thought it was quite interesting that the incident that i saw that the police didn't try to do anything once the boat was on the water. and i think that is probably for safety reasons to ensure that people don't end up in what is going to be very cold water. if you look at what happened, especially the incident here, 115 people trying to get onto one of those boats is really unprecedented and is very likely to end in disaster with people falling in. many migrants can't swim. as we know there was a child involved in the incident this morning, even the one we saw, we counted 67 people on one boat.
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that's an extremely large number. i think there's a growing desperation among some of the migrants who don't have the money to pay people traffickers for perhaps slightly more assured journeys across the channel, i think there is certainly a lot more violence being offered to the police as this kind of process of people trying to get to uk continues. of people trying to get to uk continue-— of people trying to get to uk continues. ., ,, , ., . ., continues. thank you so much for that. we are going to cross over that stretch of water now and head to dover, because people have been arriving there. we do have some pictures. there have been water force boats bringing the people from the water there into the port there at dover. 0ur correspondent is they are. talk us through what has been happening this morning. weill. are. talk us through what has been happening this morning.— happening this morning. well, we have been counting _ happening this morning. well, we have been counting the _ happening this morning. well, we have been counting the boats - happening this morning. well, we . have been counting the boats coming in and roughly we think there are about 300 people taken off border force boats. we think there have been a number of border force force boats. we think there have been a number of borderforce boats out in dover today, including also as well the lifeboat has been out,
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it's been out for several hours. i think i canjust point to, actually, just possibly gone out to see again, literally the last couple of minutes, we have seen a number of people taken off those border force boats, including a child. as i say, around 300 today. we have seen about four coaches take those people. you can possiblyjust see the top of the marquee there as well, which is where the people coming off the boats are taken and essentially given a health check given fresh clothing. 0f given a health check given fresh clothing. of course, a lot of them come over completely soaked from their journey. come over completely soaked from theirjourney. i'm told it's around a four hourjourney, usually, if you start off in a dinghy and effectively get rescued once you get halfway across into british waters. from there, those people are taken coaches a few miles up the road, an old disused airport which is used as a processing facility where they are given more stringent security checks and bust out hotels and other
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accommodation across the uk while the asylum claims are looked into and processed. tom is talking about the weather conditions here. it's a shame, because when i first arrived, you could see france, only 20 miles away, and you can see it from where i was standing, the weather has come in slightly this afternoon, but worth noting that 20 miles is the busiest shipping lane in the entire world, to give you context, if you like ofjust how treacherous this journey can be. the like ofjust how treacherous this journey can toe-— like ofjust how treacherous this journey can be. the politics here, of course. — journey can be. the politics here, of course, this _ journey can be. the politics here, of course, this all— journey can be. the politics here, of course, this all coming - journey can be. the politics here, of course, this all coming the - journey can be. the politics here, of course, this all coming the dayj of course, this all coming the day after the bill to effectively, the rishi sunak prime minister trying to get people to to get on planes from the uk to rwanda to have their asylum claims assessed there. what impact, but assessment, or is it far too early to say that that will have? ~ ~ , , have? well, i think this is obviously _ have? well, i think this is obviously a _ have? well, i think this is obviously a very - have? well, i think this is obviously a very tragic - have? well, i think this is. obviously a very tragic day, have? well, i think this is - obviously a very tragic day, that is something rishi sunak talked about earlier when he was asked about it.
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all sides, earlier when he was asked about it. allsides, if earlier when he was asked about it. all sides, if you like, this whole debate about whether exactly that rwanda plan is a good idea or not would say what has happened today is tragic, and i think both sides would use this as an example of whether they 's plan kind of fits with what they 's plan kind of fits with what they believe. the government would say, look, what has happened today is exactly the reason why the rwanda plan needs to be enforced, because it will deter people from making bad very treacherous journey. rishi sunak when asked earlier about said we need compassion in all of this and stop this awful trade in people being able to be able to get over here using what he described as people traffickers. 0n the other side, of course, you've got people think about look, the rwanda plan essentially was brought into force last night, was voted on last night and hasn't acted as a deterrent. word may well have got to some of those migrants, and they didn't become deterred. they spent months trying to get to northern france and they are not going to stop when they can practically see the uk from
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there. both sides saying this is a tragic day, that plays into both sides, if you like, as far as whether it is going to work. i think it's really interesting here, today we did get the boat that had been involved in a tragic situation earlier, of course, 50 or so of the migrants who were on that boat, of which we had the five fatalities commit 50 or so of them decided to stay on the boat and carry on into british waters, and we saw that boat come in today or we saw rather some of the passengers being disembarked down there. they were eyewitnesses of exactly what happened and that even didn't deter them from wanting to come here. even didn't deter them from wanting to come here-— to come here. thank you very much for that. uk prime minister rishi sunak says britain's defence industry is to be put on a "war footing" — because the world is "the most dangerouns it has been" since the end of the cold war. he will increase uk defence spending to 2.5% of national income by 2030. he's also promised ukraine an extra five hundred million pounds of military aid. mr sunak is in the polish capital
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warsaw, where he's discussing regional security with nato secretary—general, jens stoltenberg. here's some of what mr sunak had to say at their news conference. we will move past the stop start piecemeal way of backing ukraine, so that alongside our long—term security guarantee, we are today providing a long—term funding guarantee of at least the current level of military support to ukraine for every year it is needed. that is the longest commitment any nation has provided, and it shows that ukraine is not alone and ukraine will never be alone. a decade ago, as russian tanks rolled into crimea and the fight against them raged across the middle east, nato allies came together in wales and reached a historic agreement to increase their defence budgets to 2% of gdp. back then, the uk was one of only four countries who did so.
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we cannot keep expecting america to pay any price or bear any burden if we ourselves are unwilling to make greater sacrifices for our own security. so i'm proud that the united kingdom is increasing our defence spending to £87 billion a year. the biggest strengthening of our national defence in a generation. guaranteeing our position as the second largest defence power in nato after the us. standing next to him was the nato secretary—general. nato is good for europe, but a strong nato is also good for the united states. i expect that regardless of the outcome of the elections in the us later this year, the us will remain a staunch and loyal ally, at least for three reasons. it is the security interest of the united states to have nato and to have more than 30 friends and allies. the that makes also the united states stronger and safer. let's speak to former british army colonel, hamish de bretton gordon thank you for coming out to the programme. what do you make of that announcement by the prime minister, 2.5% of the gdp will now be spent on
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defence by 2030.— 2.596 of the gdp will now be spent on defence by 2030. welcome i think on the face of it — defence by 2030. welcome i think on the face of it is _ defence by 2030. welcome i think on the face of it is a _ defence by 2030. welcome i think on the face of it is a really _ defence by 2030. welcome i think on the face of it is a really positive - the face of it is a really positive announcement, and it is clear that our conventional defence is not really doing thejob our conventional defence is not really doing the job that it should do. as the prime minister said, really since the end of the cold war, we have let it slip and we had a defence that when putin looks across, it does not deter him. also if it encourages the other nato countries to start spending more on defence, we have a much more credible nato in which to hold back putin. i think it's also very important to put our defence industry in a war footing. the russians did this two or three years ago and literally turning tractor factory into tank factories. i think it's a realisation that there is a very real possibility, if ukraine doesn't prevail we in nato are going to be drawn directly into the fight. air defence missiles is crucial we
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get them to them as soon as possible, i would like to see the rise possible, i would like to see the ris , ., ., possible, i would like to see the ris , ., . ., possible, i would like to see the ris . ., ., rise you alluded to some of it there, rise you alluded to some of it there. the — rise you alluded to some of it there, the worth _ rise you alluded to some of it there, the worth and - rise you alluded to some of it there, the worth and income | rise you alluded to some of it l there, the worth and income of rise you alluded to some of it - there, the worth and income of the most dangerous time since the cold war what do you make of the geopolitics, the state of play? absolutely. that is the key point you are raising there, the geopolitics, put in the real adversary, part of what is happening in the rest of the world, he has a direct threat to us. putin, a tyrant like him only recognises strength and exploits weakness. i think eight or two, and exploits weakness. i think eight ortwo, he and exploits weakness. i think eight or two, he has seen weakness amongst nato in europe. he's looked at the british military and seen a rather antiquated and very small... i think by being demonstrative and getting on the front foot, this is exactly what we should be doing. quite frankly, we should've done it two
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years ago on the 2ath of february 2022, but we need to catch up and let's hope our nato allies will follow suit.— let's hope our nato allies will follow suit. forgive me ifi am bein: follow suit. forgive me ifi am being unfair— follow suit. forgive me ifi am being unfair here, _ follow suit. forgive me ifi am being unfair here, but - follow suit. forgive me ifi am being unfair here, but i - follow suit. forgive me if i am i being unfair here, but i think you pointed to something specific. if the ukrainians don't prevail, i think was your word, then nato could be drawn in. what is the specifics that you are worried about? i think if nato, that you are worried about? i think if nato. the _ that you are worried about? i think if nato, the ukrainian _ that you are worried about? i think if nato, the ukrainian front - that you are worried about? i think if nato, the ukrainian front lines i if nato, the ukrainian front lines don't hold out this summer and are under considerable pressure, if russia starts advancing west, nobody who looks at these things deeply thinks that russia will stop at ukraine. the first foot that goes west of ukraine involves nato. i would like to see nato being a little bit more front footed and if it means putting british nato boots on the ground in ukraine, so be it. we must make sure that ukraine prevails, otherwise we will see you in europe again the.—
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in europe again the. interest but that specific _ in europe again the. interest but that specific idea _ in europe again the. interest but that specific idea has _ in europe again the. interest but that specific idea has been - that specific idea has been ruled out thus far. i really appreciate your time and your expertise. thank you. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news.
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to the us now — donald trump is back in court in new york, as one of the most high—profile criminal cases in us history continues. prosecutors have asked the judge to punish the former president for violating a gagging order. they presented several of mr trump's social media posts which — they said — criticised witnesses and others involved in the trial. mr trump insists he has the right to free speech. he denies falsifying business records to cover up hush—money payments to porn star stormy daniels, before his election in 2016. let's cross to new york and speak to our correspondent, nada tawfik. so what has been happening in court?
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well, at the moment, we actually have the first witness who started yesterday back on the stand. david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer, and he has really just been answering first some questions about his relationship with donald trump. he said it was a long—standing relationship, they met backin long—standing relationship, they met back in the 80s and mara lago, but it was a mutually beneficial relationship because as the decades went on, they were able to have donald trump tipped them off on things like who would be the one out of the apprentice before the week, things that they could publish in their paper. to ultimately working together on his campaign. david packer says that donald trump and his former lawyer, michael cohen, requested a meeting with him to discuss how the national enquirer could help his campaign. they say they together came up with a plan to
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catch and kill negative stories that might hurt donald trump in his quest for the white house in 2016. he says it wasn't a formal agreement in writing, but it was an agreement among friends. and that's really the kind of key piece that prosecutors are trying to get to as they accused donald trump of being part of a criminal conspiracy to influence the 2016 election. of course, questioning is under way now and the defence will have a chance to cross—examine david packer. we defence will have a chance to cross-examine david packer. we wait for that. interesting. _ cross-examine david packer. we wait for that. interesting. for— cross-examine david packer. we wait for that. interesting. for the - for that. interesting. for the moment, thank you very much. let's speak to sonia gipson rankin, associate professor of law at the university of new mexico. thank you very much for coming on the programme. thank you very much for coming on the programme-— thank you very much for coming on the programme. thanks for having me. let's talk about _ the programme. thanks for having me. let's talk about this _ the programme. thanks for having me. let's talk about this witness. _ the programme. thanks for having me. let's talk about this witness. we've - let's talk about this witness. we've had the opening from the prosecution, the opening from the defence, other matters to do with gagging orders. of course, the main part of this trial is hearing from witnesses. we started you here
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yesterday continuing today, what do you think the significance the context is?— you think the significance the context is? this is going to be reallyiust _ context is? this is going to be reallyjust kind _ context is? this is going to be reallyjust kind of _ context is? this is going to be reallyjust kind of laying - context is? this is going to be reallyjust kind of laying the l reallyjust kind of laying the foundation, continuing to explain the background for these 3a felony counts. where does it come from? what was the intent? how did it actually play out? so mr david packer's testimony and what is going to happen on... with the direct examination and then cross examination and then cross examination is going to be very critical. 50 examination is going to be very critical. , , , , examination is going to be very critical. , , ,, , critical. so why this witness first? is it 'ust a critical. so why this witness first? is itjust a simple _ critical. so why this witness first? is itjust a simple matter - critical. so why this witness first? is itjust a simple matter of - is itjust a simple matter of chronology? first things first? i really think it's foundation only, really think its foundation only, so there is going to be three critical individuals that will kind of be thought about as we watch the prosecution prepare their case. we are going to have david packer because of his work with the national enquirer and this relationship he had with mr donald trump and all of the work they did to have stories come forward or not come forward. before we hear from
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michael cohen and may be from stormy daniels. these individuals that are already fundamentally connected to why these payments had to occur. i want to ask you about what happened this morning. the back and forth over the gagging order. so, donald trump posting messages on social media, prosecution saying he is clearly breaking the gagging order. donald trumpan active and saying no, they don't. what did you make of that back—and—forth? the they don't. what did you make of that back-and-forth? the nuance of sa in: it that back-and-forth? the nuance of saying it was _ that back-and-forth? the nuance of saying it was not — that back-and-forth? the nuance of saying it was not necessarily - saying it was not necessarily president trump at some of the people on his staff that may been doing this that were trying to sort out if what the judge is asking for is or what president trump and his staff for the attorneys are asking for is parameters, what can donald trump say and not say? what does the judge expect? what are the expectations? so i think this is going to be a tricky day as we watch to see if something else might be posted later on today before the
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judge renders his order on if whether or not trump has violated this gagging order. and if so, that's a $1000 fine for every infraction, so we will what happens. for the moment, thank you very much for that. we are back in new york later, straight to a press conference, rishi sunak with donald tuskin conference, rishi sunak with donald tusk in warsaw there. let's take a listen. to unlock fresher�*s frozen assets, which you and i have discussed. i also want to thank you for being so clear—sighted on the rising threats that are facing our continent and again, on this issue, we are of one mind. today announced a historic uplift in uk defence spending to meet those threats to a new baseline of two and half percent of gdp. it's the biggest strengthening of our national defence since the end of the cold war because it is time for us to rearm, and across europe, i think poland in the uk are part of a growing wave of countries that are taking greater responsibility for our collective security. poland
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spending more of its gdp on defence than any nato ally in europe. with today's announcement, the uk will be spending more in cash terms than any nato ally in europe, and together, we are both firing up our defence and industrial capacity, build new frigates here in poland, and as you said, we are delivering a next—generation air defence system to help defend your skies, and as a result of our conversations, i am pleased to say we will strengthen our cooperation in all the different formats so that we can work together on this crucial issue of air defence. i can also announce that next year, we will be deploying raf typhoons here as well, emphasising how important we take this issue and we want to help police pull in's skies, air defence is critical and that the uk wants to support poland and work closely with you to do that. we are also deploying over 16,000 troops here as part of the nato exercise steadfast defender. i
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am proud that the uk is a partner of poland and remains at the heart of european security. this poland and remains at the heart of european security.— european security. this is prime minister rishi _ european security. this is prime minister rishi sunak _ european security. this is prime minister rishi sunak and - european security. this is prime minister rishi sunak and this . european security. this is prime minister rishi sunak and this is| european security. this is prime - minister rishi sunak and this is bbc news. i minister rishi sunak and this is bbc news. . , minister rishi sunak and this is bbc news. .,, , .,, ., ., minister rishi sunak and this is bbc news. ., ., ., ., news. i was pleased to note that our trade has doubled _ news. i was pleased to note that our trade has doubled over— news. i was pleased to note that our trade has doubled over the _ news. i was pleased to note that our trade has doubled over the last - news. i was pleased to note that our trade has doubled over the last few. trade has doubled over the last few years, reaching out £30 billion. uk firms are investing a lot in poland and in defence and health care, infrastructure and, again, today, we talked about deepening our energy partnership and i am glad that we have tripled uk export finance, support for polish companies to buy goods and services from the uk from 5 billion to £15 billion of financial support. that's the most generous offer we have made to any partner, and again, is demonstration of our close cooperation. and as you said, we are also working together to tackle illegal migration which pruden and lukashenko have sought to weapon eyes, and that is why we sent our royal engineers here last year to help secure your border and why
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we arejoining forces to help secure your border and why we are joining forces with others across europe to smash the trafficking gangs. and there is, as you said, so much that unites us. there's an incredible affinity between our peoples, but i know from our conversation that we have something else in common, that we are united by our admiration for one of your�*s great leaders, i'm of course talking about margaret thatcher. she was the first british prime minister to visit poland back in 1988, but donald knows that because you were there to meet her and just to conclude, in a speech during that visit, she described precisely the challenge before us today. she said, "experiences teaches us that freedom incurs responsibility, and as ever, she was right. and i am pleased that together we are meeting that responsibility. thank you very much. so the prime minister, rishi sunak,
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talking they are next to donald tusk in warsaw, continuation of his visit. a little earlier, announcing a significant uplift in defence spending for the uk as well as extra money being sent to ukraine. £500 million in new funding for ukraine, and the announcement that 2.5% of uk gdp will be spent on defence by 2030, a significant uplift in defence spending. the guide up until now has been about 2%. that used to be the target. now it's seen more as a flawed rather than a ceiling. —— floor rather than a ceiling. that has been welcomed by many in nato. stoltenberg was standing alongside rishi sunak a little earlier about an hour or two ago. so, plenty more coverage and analysis of rishi sunak�*s trip to warsaw in a moment.
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this is bbc news. iam i am lewis vaughanjones. we will have continuing coverage of the channel crossing deaths, five people known to have died, including a seven—year—old girl. there's a real battle going on on the beach here. must be more than a hundred migrants trying to get to the water. they're letting off firecrackers to try and keep the police away from them. the inquiry into the post office it feelings that led to hundreds of prosecutions hears from the company's former top in—house lawyer. —— it failings. nasa says it's voyager 1 lawyer. —— it failings. nasa says it's voyager1 prog is sending usable information back to earth from 15 million miles away.
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let's get the sport now. we can head to the bbc sport centre. hi, gavin. hi there, lewis. arsenal manager mikel arteta says they will "give it a real go" as they attempt to win the premier league title for the first time in 20 years. they can go three points clear at the top if they beat chelsea later. with five to play, arsenal are level on points with liverpool, but manchester city are lurking — just one point behind and with a game in hand. the two managers, mikel arteta and mauricio pochettino, first met more than 20 years ago as team—mates at psg. and arteta received a warm welcome from the argentine all those years ago. for me, he was like a father. he really took me under his arm, gave me incredible advice, he really protected me, inspired me, and i learned so much in those two years with him together. he is always someone that i look to because, as i said, he was really impactful for me, and he was one that, as a role model, i couldn't pick
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anybody better than him. trying to add to the team, things that can — trying to add to the team, things that can help us to improve the 11, sure: _ that can help us to improve the 11, sure. we _ that can help us to improve the 11, sure. we are — that can help us to improve the 11, sure, we are working in this. this is the _ sure, we are working in this. this is the first— sure, we are working in this. this is the first season, there are many circumstances we were dealing, but i think we _ circumstances we were dealing, but i think we need to be happy because the evolution with all the situations, it's good. chelsea next play champions league—chasing aston villa on saturday. villa have announced their manager unai emery has extended his contract until 2027. villa were 16th in the league and fighting relegation when the spaniard emery took over from steven gerrard in november 2022. but a remarkable turnaround saw them finish seventh, to qualify for the europa conference league last season. they're currently fourth, six points clear of spurs, who have two games in hand. the pgmol say they will let nottingham forest hear the audio recordings from the exchange between the referee and var stuart attwell during sunday's
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controversial game at everton — but only in private for now.

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